This is a discussion on Brittle egos within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I find it odd that so many interpret giving a rude loudmouth a life lesson in on-the-spot justice as having to resort to using a ...
I find it odd that so many interpret giving a rude loudmouth a life lesson in on-the-spot justice as having to resort to using a concealed weapon. Maybe it falls back to the idea that one uses a weapon because they had one?
Retired USAF E-8. Curmudgeon at large.
Lighten up and enjoy life because:
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth
however.. by verbally letting the idiot know that he'd better stand down, I'm not saying turn and start swinging.....if he chose to swing..then I promise you, he'd be on the ground in about half a second..
You ask, can I be sure?? Some of us train for hours each day to ensure that our unarmed response can be just as lethal as our armed response...it helps ensure that we wouldn't lose possession of our fire arm in a shtf situation...
It also keeps me in really good shape :)
You are absolutely correct. Especially people like the "cellphone dude" in the second incident. They are everywhere.
I get so tempted sometimes to stand by and see what their next move is, but I always end up choosing the high ground and let it drop since I know something they don't.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
it's so ironic that in a thread about playing it cool and not overreacting, so many macho men are talking smack. Really dude, you'd beat up a (much smaller, possibly underage) guy for saying a mean word? Fights aren't like they were in the good old days, man. You stomp him out, great. Then his boys roll up on you in a week...then what? Lastly, the OP seems like she can handle herself anyway, let her deal with this punk. Seeing girls beat up guys is hilarious.
Not hating, just saying.
I think a big item being missed here is the threat of violence and the thought that being passive only has an alternative of escalating to violence. Idiot is threatening to hurt your wife. He has no situational awareness and probably doesn't see/care about the husband. IF offended cell phone dude starts swinging the witnesses would see him being offended and maybe as the victim.
As part of disengaging being assertive BUT NOT AGGRESSIVE using phrases like "Leave her alone", " We don't want to fight", etc. will allow cell phone boy to be a hero. If he gets violent witnesses will see you disengaging and moving away. If he pursues you or gets violent you've created distance and set-up the witnesses to better ID you as the victim. If you are truly prepared to carry you need to use verbal skills to avoid violence or worst case prepare your defense.
The first case stated in the OP I could deal with without getting testy myself, but the second I would draw the line. Years ago, when I was not long out of the Marines and a little less worried about getting a bruise or two, I got into a fist fight with some clown who called my wife a "B---h" at the local Wally World. Not trying to sound like a tough guy here, but I got the better of him and he broke free and ran off. I cleaned up the mess and apologized to the manager and crew that ran over to the fight, and to the police. The store did not press charges and the police said that since the other guy ran off, I could go.
I get really bent outta shape when someone disrespects my wife. Would I do it again? Yup, but only over my wife.
I would rather die on my feet, than to live on my knees.
this has been floated around on this and other gun forums, I think it applies perfectly here....
"From now on, when dealing with (ed.) crazy / possibly violent people, you will lose every argument. You are always wrong. You are sorry for impinging on their day.
You will apologize and apologize again. You will back the heck down. You will put your tail between your legs. You will let them talk stuff about your lady friend. You will let them call your mother a witch and a hooker, your dad a punk.
You have no ego. You do all this because if you are the one to start a fight, by default that fight now has a gun in it, and if you start losing, you're going to pull it and kill him.
Even if you don't go to jail because you could convince the jury that it was self-defense, you're going to have to live with the fact that you took someone's life in defense of your pride and ego not your life.
You are not the police, so don't act like them. Though many of you [civilians] are better shots than the police, you do not have the training, the continuum of force policy, a union, plus free lawyers protecting you if you screw up.
“After backing down and trying to apologize, if at any time you then feel your life or that of a loved one is in danger, put three rounds into his [cardiothoracic] vault, call the police, call your lawyer, give a statement, go home, and sleep like a baby. You did all you could for your attacker, and he was the one that made the final decision...... to kill himself."
I'm just glad I was not carrying a gun when I got into that fight with the freak in Wal Mart. We were living in Florida at the time and I did not have a Florida permit.
I would rather die on my feet, than to live on my knees.
I find the OP's examples to be illustrative of what I call the "Concealed Carry Zen." When you have a firearm at your disposal, you are suddenly enlightened as to the benefits of de-escalation and peace.
I find certain responses to the OP, if true, to be excellent examples of why certain people should not carry.
Lots of lessons here indeed.
"Lastly, the OP seems like she can handle herself anyway, let her deal with this punk. Seeing girls beat up guys is hilarious."
You'll need to trust the Moderators on this one. Betty can handle her own personal/self defense.
Wow... So what was the 230lb hubby doing before and during the mall incident, reading his cell phone too? I'm not sure I would have had the fortitude to watch it all unfold. I have a tendency to put myself between anyone coming towards us when I have any women with me out at a place like a mall etc... Once the "fightin words" started he may well have been eating that clothing rack if he decided to follow into the store.