Interesting article about the FBI's switch

Interesting article about the FBI's switch

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    Interesting article about the FBI's switch

    Looks like they're switching up training to focus more on CQB. I notice the stats regarding how close shootings have occurred interesting as well. Not likely to change my training regiment but notable nonetheless.

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    While it's good that they are working more on up close and personal shooting, I hope they do not neglect the longer range training. Bad guys don't all use the same play book.
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    I thought the FBI got away from the "cup and saucer" grip years ago. Notice the two top shooters in the article. The female agent is left handed but does seem to have the better grip on her pistol. Thumbs pointing with muzzle. Maybe just to each his own?
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    I don't See any cup and saucer grips in that pic. Bottom of grip is not on their palm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RemMod597 View Post
    I don't See any cup and saucer grips in that pic. Bottom of grip is not on their palm.
    I'm curious, what do you think of the thumb that high up on the slide. IMHO,OK on the range with little stress, but under stress if you squeeze a little to hard, you can interfear with the cycleing of the slide and stop the gun from going into battery. Iv'e seen this with IDPA shooters.
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    If the high thumbs gets their rounds on target. So be it.
    Personally, I keep my thumbs forward, parallel to the slide, just at frame/slide seam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    I'm curious, what do you think of the thumb that high up on the slide. IMHO,OK on the range with little stress, but under stress if you squeeze a little to hard, you can interfear with the cycleing of the slide and stop the gun from going into battery. Iv'e seen this with IDPA shooters.
    It is MHO that grips, like guns are not "one size fits all". The grip needs to be based on your hands and the relative shape and size of the gun's hand grip. It needs to be quick and natural to grasp plus comfortable. Once this is ascertained use it and practice, practice, practice. But do not forget weak hand and one hand practice while you are at it.
    For an EDC gun if you have trouble with weak hand or one hand, maybe you need to reevaluate your EDC.
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    Yikes! Thumbs (ON) the slide? No thanks..I have a aversion to blood.
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    IIRC the statistics over the last 20 years supported a "3-5 Rule": 3-5 shots fired, 3-5 yards distance, 3-5 second total engagement time. Don't recall where I saw that though, but it seems to fit - at least in part - to what the article stated.

    Edit: it may have been 3-5 FEET vs. yards

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    It is feet.
    FBI's "Rule of 3" is wisdom gleaned from a vast number of the agency's investigations. It's why I don't feel under-gunned with .38spl +P LSWC. A lot of good men and women trusted their lives to it. Good enough for me.
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    Its as if the media is trying to start a fight, just by publishing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnfat View Post
    I thought the FBI got away from the "cup and saucer" grip years ago. Notice the two top shooters in the article. The female agent is left handed but does seem to have the better grip on her pistol. Thumbs pointing with muzzle. Maybe just to each his own?
    No cup and saucer grip here. That's exactly how it would look from the other side of the female shooters hands if the image was taken from the opposite angle.
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    "agents also are being exposed to technology borrowed from Hollywood" Seriously? I hope it is from Clint Eastwood
    s Dirty harry movies then...

    it looks like the female is struggling with the size of the Blocky Glock Grip.... FBI should have done what the DEA did and Switched to M&P's to accommodate more Agents' needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    "agents also are being exposed to technology borrowed from Hollywood" Seriously? I hope it is from Clint Eastwood
    s Dirty harry movies then...

    it looks like the female is struggling with the size of the Blocky Glock Grip.... FBI should have done what the DEA did and Switched to M&P's to accommodate more Agents' needs.
    Looked like she was getting along just fine with that pistol.
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