October 19th, 2006 05:23 PM
Verifing it's the police on the other side of your locked bedroom door.
There is a current WWYD thread that has alot of people locking them selves in thier bedrooms and waiting it out. I answered that I would also do that in my response.
Ok. Your blessed and the BG decided to leave. The police show up and are on the other side of your BR door but you are still locked in and you don't know that it's the GG's in fact on the other side of the door.
I personally would think that I would still have 911 on the line. I am sure that the police would announce their presence, would I be out of line to ask the dispatcher for the name of the responding officers and then ask the officers what their names are before unlocking the door? Or would i just be ******* the cops off?
October 19th, 2006 05:45 PM
I don't think arriving patrol officers would have a problem with dispatch verifying their arrival/presence. Especially if you told dispatch you had defensive cover and were armed.
One time when I lived in an apartment complex and had to call the law doggies on a neighbor, the police came and resolved the problem. In order to protect my identity as the caller, dispatch called me back and asked if I needed to speak with the arresting officers. They did their job and didn't tip off the neighbor that I was the one that turned him in.
Of course, you'd have to ask yourself how the police entered your home in the first place. Did the BG go out the front or back door and leave it open or did they bust the front door down. If they busted the front door down, I think I could figure out they were on scene.
October 19th, 2006 06:20 PM
Well, I'd probably start by watching for flashing lights and listening for sirens. If you want to be more certain, why not install a peephole on the door to your bedroom or safe room?
October 19th, 2006 06:33 PM
As a former dispatcher I know for a fact the officers (at least the ones I worked for) had no problem with me telling the homeowner that they were there and their exact whereabouts. Officers do not what to get shot by trigger happy (scared) home owners.
October 19th, 2006 07:26 PM
As an officer who has done this a few times, I wouldn't be knocking on the bedroom door! After I cleared the house minus the "safe room" I would announce myself, partners etc., as well as having dispatch verify with you. Chances are, I would move to a more neutral area, such as a living room turn on lights etc., and have you come down to me.
My second sentence may be a bit misleading... any officer should announce his presence before entering any home, loudly and several times. "Podunk Police Dept., anyone home?" Then move to clear the house. And for you "Mall Ninjas" no, that will not hurt any tactical advantage I might of had, BG already know I'm there.
Also, for the poster who said look outside for the lights etc., don't rely on that. I never park out front, leave my overheads on or approach with the siren... a little police work 101 there.
October 19th, 2006 08:41 PM
Radio's .........couldn't you hear their radio's ??
I feel that the BG's will not hang around after they realize that they either,can't get to you,or.......they have got all the valuables that they came for/want.
IDing the guy on the other side of the door would be the easy part. Transitioning from you with weapon to saying "hi" to the nice officer would be another thing.
After all,at this point it would be really great if you avoided being shot by your "rescuers". ---------
October 19th, 2006 08:47 PM
How about asking one of them to shove a photo ID card (police ID) under the door? Doubtful a BG would have one of those unless the perp is ALSO a cop, too.
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October 19th, 2006 09:47 PM
If your on the phone with the dispatcher, I'm sure they'll tell you the police are in the house and that it's OK to come out.
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October 19th, 2006 09:53 PM
One thing about doors - the majority are not impermeable to bullets and I have a thing these days where I will not if at all bothered - stand dead center behind a door.
Whoever I think may be the other side - I will stay offset
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October 19th, 2006 10:00 PM
... shove a photo ID card (police ID) under the door? Doubtful a BG would have one of those ...
... dispatcher ... [will] tell you the police are in the house ...
About the only two choices are: get proof either directly or indirectly (ie, via dispatch). P95 has it right, about doors. Unless steel plate reinforced, a bullet's getting through. Can't imagine a perp would forego the opportunity to waste the homeowner, when the homeowner bent over to pick up a false ID.
... doors - the majority are not impermeable to bullets ...
Me, I'd be on the phone with dispatch up to the end, including having dispatch putting Mr. LEO on the phone so he could speak to me over the phone as I heard him through the door. That's proof. Anything short of that is somewhat less than 100% guaranteed, though mere discussions with dispatch are close, given the presumed good-guy status of all responding LEO's.
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October 19th, 2006 10:08 PM
I don't stand in front of a door. This includes waiting for the elevator.
Wait for the leo to say, "Landshark...I mean...Candygram.."
I would have the dispatcher confirm the ID of the officers.
One of the procedures for some of our Extream High Value loads we sometimes haul, is in the event a LEO attempts to pull over our rig, we are supposed to call 911 and verify the LEO is legit. I have never asked a LEO about doing it, but to avoid finding out if it is a bad thing to do, with a high value load, we are anal about obeying the laws. Would you pull over if you were hauling a 53 foot trailer of oxycontin?
Bet you get shot if it isn't a leo....
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October 19th, 2006 10:11 PM
I never had a problem with someone wanting to verify my ID I would tell them to call the PD and ask for the watch commander and give my ID#.
Too many police impersonators out there to get wrapped up over someone wanting to be safe.
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October 19th, 2006 11:46 PM
Don't worry about it they will make sure you know its them.
October 19th, 2006 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by RSSZ
Not if they are using ear pieces. Even if not, they usually try to turn the radio down, they want to hear as much as you do. Just like not parking in front of a building, or running sirens all the way in, or leaving the light bar running.
remember, the officer doesn't truly know what is happening yet.
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October 20th, 2006 12:03 AM
Theoretical situations pale in comparison to a real situation
Well if the cops showed up I'd call 9-11 to make sure...
cops are for my protection, gotta love and respect that, but until they get there to protect me the guy on the other side of the door has to be assumed hostile.
I'd prob call the dispatch
but I am pretty positive that the cops are trained to deal with this sort of situation, so all should be good in the end and I hope to god that I never have to be in a situation to grab my gun and defend my life or wonder who exactly IS on the other side of that door...
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