ACTION vs REACTION Live Fire Video Demo - Stunning Results

[1911srule]

Reinforces the whole "Get off the X" response...

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[GeorgiaShooter]

You're very welcome AZ_Larz_NY, same here, every time I learn something new I realize just how little I know.

Austin, thanks for the thoughtful reply. By the way I took my video editor frame by frame selecting the time when my right arm muscles begin to move to the point the empty casing is flying about 6 inches above the gun. I figure from the time the bad guy is sitting still with the gun hidden until the bullet is flying you get to see the best case scenario. I totally agree with everything you said and all is good :)

This is also a comment on this video by an LEO that posts on the GeorgiaPacking website that may be interesting for others to read from first hand experience....

I learned this lesson the hard way on duty back in 2004 in Perry.....I had my gun out, in the "low ready" position with my finger on the slide of my G22......

I lost the gunfight that day.....but survived. My buddies put plenty of lead in the shooter & he survived too....

It's a heck of a lesson to learn in real life & not during training...... :(

[RightsEroding]

Please rethink this and come back around to comment

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OK..I did.
I also read and re-read your technique when a BG draws on you. I won't comment on that.

I've studied martial arts for 30 years, have been a instructor and judge at countless tournaments and currently hold a 6th degree BB in Shotokan Karate, a 4th degree BB in Korean TKD and a 1st degree BB in Brazilian JujitSu (Machado Schools)...Not bragging, just wanted you to know my qualifications and credibility in understanding threat assessments.

I understand your demo showing that action beats re-action; though I know that assumption is based purely on a rather strict set of circumstances; many of which are completely out of the defenders hands.

Now (IF) my way of thinking runs counter to yours, other than a gun scenario being completely different from a hand to hand physical confrontation...I don't believe it is other than the finality of a a bullet leaving the weapon; (i.e) Little if rarely a measured response compared to a hand to hand confrontation.

I've heard and believe; others say that if the BG has the drop on me, I'm probably a goner. Again; this would be based on a specific set of parameters including
my SA before, my SA during, and my assessment of a mode of action I will take.

At this point in this particular discussion, I must force myself to separate my skills from the average citizen and I too must make some assumptions.

1) The average citizen is not expert in their use of a firearm.
2) "" " " " in hand to hand combat.

In your video in the first paragraph you must only be referring to guns as it does not apply to defensive hand to hand when a trained defender is fighting off a untrained attacker.

I've trained countless LE officers in martial arts, primarily pain compliance techniques AND gun takeaway techniques; the latter requiring continual practice and not simply something one learns and then hopes they remember later.

Trying to react to an intentional action already in motion is physically impossible even for superman.

If you are referring to a gun being drawn on me; that statement is totally bogus and without merit or proof.
If you are referring to a bullet that has already left the weapon and headed my way; then I agree.
Defemsive techniques often will turn the tide of battle (IF) the defender is skilled.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but what is it you suggest other than (SA) when a threat is thrust upon us?

As someone previously stated, I can't walk around all day in a max alert status without going bonkers.

I get it. I can't out draw someone who has the drop on me when their only intent is to shoot me w/o thought. No argument. My response is still; OK..so precisely what does this do for me?

Every encounter is dynamic, changing from moment to moment; no different than a hand to hand struggle.
Every move has or should have a counter move.
Every situation must be assessed moment to moment.
Decision points move continuously along a rapidly sliding scale.

The math of reaction vs action is interesting though not surprising.

So yes; from your prior post..It may require you or someone else to do a paragraph or two to explain to me HOW this information should be pressed into service other than realizing I should not attempt to outdraw a BG if they have me in their sights unless I'm Bob Munden?
Moving while shooting? I get it. Hopefully we all get it.
Element of surprise? I get it.
Don't engage if they get the drop on me? Depends on the dynamics.

EDIT: RT = a + b log2N

where a and b are constants and N is the number of alternatives. The equation has two terms. The "a" constant is simply the "irreducible minimum" reaction time in the situation. (The variable part is called "the reducible margin.") The relationship between RT and the number of alternatives is nonlinear - doubling the number of alternatives does not increase RT by a factor of 2 but rather by the log of the number of possible signals.

Believe me..this equation is taught to our higher level of martial artists...boiled down it is called (DYNAMICS)

[GeorgiaShooter]

rightseroding, yes sorry I should have defined the superman comment. I think where we went off track we're your comments about this stuff not apply to every day life and the idea we would never use the low ready gun position which is just not true. And what I struggled to say was how the video really was not focused on that point anyway. It was more about reacting with equal people, equal weapons and assuming your reaction, with practice and skill, could overcome even the average bad guy who had the jump on you. At that level we don't even need to use formulas to understad it would be a fatal mistake to respond in a way the vast majority of TV and movie watching citizens believe is the right response.

As I posted previously, even a police officer learned that lesson the hard way. And frankly if a bad guy with some skill has enough distance on you with low light and the surprise you too would be SOL, no matter how much you train. I think the point for me is just focusing on what the video actually shows. Nothing in the video is incorrect as far as I know, and where you build on that, or develop and train is really a choice. Some people are limited by age, health, aptitude and in many cases just don't have time to make hand to hand combat their life's study. I believe we're on the same page here frankly but you are just coming from another angle, and that's fine. You are not limited to the same choices I am.

Frankly one of the responses I might use is just running like hell and trying to use cover. It's very hard to shoot a moving target in the dark. One thing I bring away from this is that some things just wont work and I need to understand that. One of the best ways to survive is not making a huge mistake. Thanks again for the comments, I think your second post was a lot more helpful. Take care.

[RightsEroding]

It was more about reacting with equal people, equal weapons and assuming your reaction, with practice and skill, could overcome even the average bad guy who had the jump on you.

Cool!..Now with that I fully agree.

[OldVet]

"The Second move I really love is the one in Massad's book and based again on real life by people that have used it many many times with success."

That's assuming one can.

[paramedic70002]

Reinforces the whole "Get off the X" response...

This.

And don't let your shot timer go off during a traffic stop.