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    He's dangerous and one day he WILL flip and/or self destruct. Treat him like you would a rabid bear. Calm, quiet, smile, never turn your back, keep up your guard. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost1958 View Post
    This guy is a blow hard coward or he would have tried to yank you out of the car when you ticked him off instead of sneaking around slashing your tires.
    That's an assumption. We've all seen the sort that acts a given way but then blows ugly when they do blow.

    Ranting, psycho abuse in front of his own child, physical beating of a dog (witnessed), physical attack of colleague that got him fired, slashing of tires, making a point of tracking down folks and then monitoring/tracking location of those folks ...

    Not much gap between what's been going on and the ugly, violent next step. All it'll take is a "match."

    All those "signs" we've been speaking of, in other threads on mental health and the violent? I believe here's a solid case of just that, in all its color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    That's an assumption. We've all seen the sort that acts a given way but then blows ugly when they do blow.

    Ranting, psycho abuse in front of his own child, physical beating of a dog (witnessed), physical attack of colleague that got him fired, slashing of tires, making a point of tracking down folks and then monitoring/tracking location of those folks ...

    Not much gap between what's been going on and the ugly, violent next step. All it'll take is a "match."

    All those "signs" we've been speaking of, in other threads on mental health and the violent? I believe here's a solid case of just that, in all its color.
    Granted. What I posted is just my take of the guys behavior and my personal expierience. Youll note I never advised not to take preparations or not to arm the OPs wife just in case. Hes already got alarms and video etc as I understand.

    I will however repeat my one suggestion based on personal expierience with practically the same situation a few years ago.
    Leave the sister in law at home when he makes the drop off of the child. The woman being an ex wife of this guy is a hot trigger for him to start acting stupid to intimidate and scare her. If shes not there that trigger isnt present and Ill bet hes not as aggressive as he is when she is there.
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    I don't know if you carry concealed or not, but if you are armed and prepared to use lethal force for self defense, you can not afford to be seen as an antagonist.

    You now have prior knowledge he is unstable, and with very poor impulse control. Becomes enraged at the drop of a hat. You also know he's a revenge seeker, and rather cowardly at that (ie, slashing tires on your mothers jeep).

    These are danger signs which tells a reasonable person he is a potential ticking time bomb. While so far, his actions have been passive-aggressive in nature, it didn't take much to set him off and almost cause him to blow a head gasket (becoming so violently angry he turned purple at your derogatory remarks).

    Next time he could flip out and become violent which would force you into a position of having to use force to defend yourself. You know all this. You are worried about it. Your wife is worried about it. Your sister-in-law is worried about it.

    If you make any further smart ass quips or insulting remarks towards him which would be seen as inflammatory and sets him off in the future, you will likely lose your ability to make a legal claim of self defense in court if things get out of hand and you are forced to employ lethal force to defend yourself.

    You may not get convicted of murder, but any mediocre prosecutor would likely get a convition for voluntary manslaughter.

    I can assure you, this will be looked at as a domestic type situation. Historically, shootings involving domestic type situations go against the shooter more often than it's ruled a completely justifiable shooting. Usually it's due to the personal nature of the parties being related, whether it's through marriage or a blood relative. Almost no one has completely clean hands in situations like this.

    You've already shown a little lack of maturity by saying with a condescending smile. "Ah, poor little baby, looks like someone needs a nap. Did you go poopy?"

    Now, that may seem to be pretty trivial, and of little consequence now. And most people would say, that is pretty minor. And while he's still alive, it is pretty much a minor thing. But when there's a dead guy laying at your feet and a smoking gun in your hand, I can assure you the police, the prosecutor, and a jury won't be laughing.

    You've seen how he responded the last time you made a flippant comment towards him. You are now on notice. Act accordingly.

    I can assure you, there are plenty of decent folks doing hard time in prison for manslaughter or murder for just this type of situation. They aren't bad people, and they thought they were doing the right thing. They just didn't realize all the legal pitfalls that lay lurking to snare you once a death occurs.

    Good luck with the situation. Defend yourself as necessary. But be aware that you don't know as much about the law as you think you do. Once there's a shooting, whether he lives or dies, there's going to be an investigation. Once they find out, you're loosely related to him, they are going to investigate it with a microscope. If you are forced to defend yourself with lethal force, you want to be as clean as the pure driven snow in the eyes of the investigators.

    This isn't meant to scare you. And this isn't to say you can not defend yourself against an attack. Or use lethal force, if lethal force is what's warranted. I'm just simply trying to bring some things to light and illuminate the terrain a little bit.

    I'm a little concerned that while you said, you knew you shouldn't have said what you did to set him off, you also said that you didn't regret it.

    That's not a good attitude to have for a guy who carries a gun, and has the power to snatch a person's life away in a heartbeat. (And again, I don't know if you carry a gun or have a ccw permit. You never indicated one way or another).

    Good luck. I hate these kinds of situations. I've been in the middle of too damn many of them. And no small number of those that ended with a loss of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deafdave3 View Post
    Fix your tires.

    Do nothing and say nothing.

    Either leave the dogs loose on your property, or call 911 when someone uninvited shows up. Keep 911 on phone while conversing with 911 operator. If he goes inside your house, warn him twice before using deadly force. Check Washington laws first about home intrusion, though. Its a bit different here in Texas.
    In Washington if a person enters your home unbidden it is lawful to assume hostile intent and react with force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JediTalen View Post
    In Washington if a person enters your home unbidden it is lawful to assume hostile intent and react with force.
    There's a man charged with manslaughter right now in a castle doctrine state for shooting the home invader when he was obviously trying to get away, even though he was still inside the house.

    Castle Doctrine is not an automatic free pass.

    I'll look for the source, and post it if I can find it. But I was reading about it just this past week either here in the forum or while reading one of the online newspapers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    There's a man charged with manslaughter right now in a castle doctrine state for shooting the home invader when he was obviously trying to get away, even though he was still inside the house.

    Castle Doctrine is not an automatic free pass.
    I think this is the link to the story: Man indicted for killing intruder @ DefensiveCarry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    I think this is the link to the story: Man indicted for killing intruder @ DefensiveCarry.

    That's the one. Thanks for the link!
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    In the last couple years or so here in WA there have been at least two occasions of homeowners shooting intruders looking to raid the homeowners pot operation, in neither case did the homeowner face charges related to the shooting. We don't have Castle Doctrine or Stand your ground per se, but Washington's laws are pretty favorable towards the good guys.
    Police: 2 intruders shot, killed at marijuana grow house | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News
    Shooting ruled self-defense in Lakebay home invasion | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    ... But be aware that you don't know as much about the law as you think you do....
    To put this in perspective, Bark'n wasn't throwing rocks at you with this remark: VERY FEW of us know as much about the law as we think we do. That's why we hire lawyers.

    Reread his post again: it's gold for you.
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    Soemtihing my ccw instructed told me was about the free recording service. If the guy is going that psycho simply dial 911 and let it record. Will the police arrive... im fairly certain and anything that is said is recorded.

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    Start video taping and/or voice record when you drop/pick up his son. That way any smart mouth comments he says will be recorded. That way if something else happens he'll be guilty since it was recorded previously.

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    All I'm going to say is this: You knew he was a nutcase, yet you opened your mouth and involved yourself. Now you have to deal with him because of it. That's a life lesson for you.
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    If the sister-in-law and her son don't know you carry, make sure they don't ever. Don't do anything gun related around them, and hide all the gear. While on one hand the gun stuff might make the sister-in-law feel "safer," she has already proven to make poor choices in the mate and driving departments. The mom or the son could go, "And he'll blow your head off if you mess with us!" and then the lunatic knows you're carrying, and that's one piece of intel he doesn't need. Right now he seems to settle for face-to-face bigmouth and taking things out on tires. You don't want him sneaking up behind you or picking you off from a distance.
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