This is a discussion on Draw? No draw? (Edit added again) within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by godawgs82 It seems to me that there are many who don't know the exact definition of "brandishing". I thought it was something ...
What concerns me is all if those that encouraged this type of behavior on the other forum. Think about how damaging this sort of behavior can be! - What if the guy asking for a cigarette went to pull out his lighter in anticipation of "bumming a smoke". Mr. Cautious Paranoia then fully draws on the individual! - All CHL holders would then be under assault from a public now afraid of crazy people.
Being hyper-cautious will pay off if the other fellow does turn out to be a thug. If he's not, things could get real "George Zimmerman" for the shooter. Meaning, he'll still have his life, but his life will be totally ruined.
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I by no means mean to offend any LEO's (or Ex) here, but this guy seems to me to be exactly the kind of person we don't want carrying. Does he have a right to do so? Absolutely. However his actions, good intentioned though they may have been, were definitely over the top (IMO). In this case his "instincts" were wrong. You don't draw on an instinct. You draw when there is a real known threat. Now, could he have prepared himself to draw if it became necessary? Of course! And that is what he should have done. He is wrong on this one, and who knows how many others.
Hey guys, I am new to this site and stumbled onto this topic. I have a cwp here in SC and carry 100% of the time.
Today after lunch my helper and i were aproaching a red light when a guy in a small s 10 truck cut us off with no signal ( kind of a, you better stop because here i come). As he pulled in front of us he actually cliped the front bumper. I raised my hands pissed off and shouted ***. He then game the the universal gesture. So i returned the gesture. Just as i did this he locked his brakes up. Being that he had just cut us off i did tap his bumber before stoping. So were both at a stop... I see him open his door. I look down, unbuckle my seat belt and put the car in park. When i look back up he is at the front of my vehicle. i open the door, put a foot out and begin to stand up. Just then he slams my door pinning me against the car. I put one had up to block punches and the other under my jacket and on my gun. he hit like a girl and although i was kinda stuck i didnt feel like my life was in danger. My helper got out and the guy backed up as if he wanted to fight. I told the guy he was absolutly crazy and got back in the car. He jumped in his truck and hauled but. I called police and expained everything.
Again, I felt like at any time i could have ended his life and that the current situation didnt justify doing so.
Would you guys have done things differently, besides not flipping him off?
...I would not have screamed and cursed and waved my hands...I would not have flipped him off...I would not have purposely hit his truck with my vehicle...and I would not have gotten out to face him...the fact that I had the power of his life in my hands would not have even crossed my mind...it was a simple TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, for crying out loud!!! Lose the confrontational attitude and mature enough to control your anger before you rage yourself into a prison cell...and that's as gently as this old man can put it...
...oh...welcome to the Forum...lots to be learned here...
No, I didnt hit his vehicle purposly. This guy slamed on brakes in anger that i returned his gesture. Its more than a traffic accident when someone slams on the brakes to cause you to hit them out of anger. You say knowing you have the ability to take someones life doesnt cross your mind??? Why not?! You do dont you?! The entire time this idiot is throwing punches I remain calm. he stoped... no need to do anything else. Confrontational attitude? Realy. I guess your the 25mph in a 55.
Im not the one that hit another vehicle driving crazy, slamed on brakes because the driver i just cut off let me know i was an idiot. Then charged and began to hit the guy.
I think your an idot that things everyone else is always wrong. Nose in the air right.
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I do agree that flipping the guy off was crossing a line. I think that my comment on knowing i have the ability to use leathal force is being taken the wrong way. Im never one to start a screaming match or "want" to argue. I do speak my mind most of the time. I dont think that a normal person would cause a fender bender due to there stupid actions and then when (as you typicaly would do) stop and get out of your car attack the other driver. When i say i was thinking about what i could do... all i mean is i was aware of what level this attack was.
I didnt smile at him and say yea your bad. I think if i had to do it over again i wouldnt have fliped him off. I like to be aware of whats going on, That way if someone smaps and hits me in the face i dont over react and shoot them.
i see it wrong that i flipped im off. but knowing what i could do????
Welll first while maybe raising your arms could be a startled reaction and ill go along with that one. Uncaging your own bird in response to his bird was asking to escalate the thing. I dont think from what you say you could have avoided bumping him when he slammed on his brakes however.
While the first part could obviously have been done better the latter part was a disaster except for the fact you didnt shoot the guy.
Hes getting out of his car and you take your eyes off him to unbuckle a seat belt? Next time you see him hes at the front of your car? He could just have easily have had a gun and blown your head off while you were fiddling with a seat belt.
Then you try to get out and the guy pins by your own door and punched. Not withstanding the whole thing could have been avoided probably. if this guy had been like some road rage incidents you were way behind the curve from beginning to end.
Not being hard on you or anything but instead of feeling you could have ended his life at anytime you should be thanking your lucky stars this guy wasnt an armed idiot like the one that shot the teens in Fla and that your still alive. This guy could have offed you at any point from leaving his car right up to slamming your own car door on you. Just a little food for thought
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