Student gets tazed at UCLA library

This is a discussion on Student gets tazed at UCLA library within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; First Story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E Response Story: http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960 Video of incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E Were the LEOs right in what they did?...

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    Student gets tazed at UCLA library

    First Story:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E

    Response Story:
    http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

    Video of incident:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E

    Were the LEOs right in what they did?

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    Don't act like an idiot, and you don't get tazed. It's a rule that has served millions of people quite well for years and years.

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    That kid acted like a moron.
    He had I don't know maybe ten chances verbally provided to "stand up" yet he refused. People get tased with just just one chance.
    The cops did their job, well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    That kid acted like a moron.
    He had I don't know maybe ten chances verbally provided to "stand up" yet he refused. People get tased with just just one chance.
    The cops did their job, well.

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    Yet I am quite certain that the officers will somehow be made to pay a price for doing it.

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    Shades of Daniel Sayers, methinks. While being directed to comply, one shouldn't rant and rave. Bad juju results.

    UCLA library, eh? That concludes Lesson #1, for that fool. Doubtful that he'll see the take away points. Looking on the bright side, at least mom and dad will get to see how hard their money's working.
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    What ever happened to cops just dragging people to the squad cars? Isn't that what they used to do before tasers?

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    As much as I like to see idiots ride the lightening, after seeing that the turd wasn't going to stand up, the officers should have just carried him to the squad car. If I was the officer, my arms would probably get tired right around the time we got outside the building and on the pavement/sidewalk. With no strength left in my arms to carry the idiot, I'd have to DRAG him along the pavement to the car. Somehow, I think he would quickly remember how to walk again!!
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    It is hard to tell exactly what happened. What did the police see first? All I see first is a computer monitor and then I hear some screaming.

    There was certainly some police brutality IMHO. There was a much better way to handle the situation, especially once handcuffed. There were many cops there and the student did not need to be tazered after he was handcuffed. When he was on the ground he may not have been able to get up. They should have picked him up and put him in the car to go "downtown".

    There is a fine line between doing your job well and letting your emotions get the best of you. These cops let their power get the best of them (again IMHO).
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    I'd have to say that seemed a bit over the top. Even if the kid was being an idiot he did not need to be hit again with the tazer after cuffed and down.
    He wasnt a threat so why torture him?
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    Pain compliance is always better and safer than going hands on. The punk refused to comply either before or after being handcuffed. That being in the land of the fruits and nuts, the officers would have been chastized for tazing, spraying, dragging, etc, anything more "brutal" than calling out the negotiator.

    Screw him. Next time a cop tells him to leave, or stand up, maybe he will think twice before he resists. Refusing to stand up IS resisting arrest and as such authorizes the use of force. The tazer is non-lethal force, and is pretty much authorized anytime there is reason to go hands on with a suspect, just like chemical spray.

    Too bad for him. I don't feel even a little bit sorry for him. He showed his contempt toward the officers when he demanded they "get off" him when they first confronted him. And of course all the little bleeding heart anti-cop students would make it sound like he was an innocent angel.

    If one of my kids showed his ass like that toward the police or anyone else, I would beat him half silly.

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    In the riots at Kent State in the 60's the students were beaten with Batons because there was no such thing as tazers. How many students were bleeding after the riots? This student shed no blood.
    It would have been much worse if the police hade no tasers, he was lucky. Resisting arrest is resisting arrest If a person lays on the floor and won't get up it is harde to know if he has a weapon, police have to do whatever is necessary to be sure they go home after the shift is over.

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    Like it or not, the fact does remain that the kid is alleged to have refused to produce identification, when the library has "well-posted rules" that anyone there after 11p.m. has to be a student with i.d.

    So, he brought this upon himself, in my view, by allegedly becoming defiant and belligerent. Sorry, but when you have every reason to know that you are doing something that is prohibited, what do you expect if you then refuse to comply with legitimate orders to stop doing it (i.e. to leave the library)??

    I knew idiots like him in college -- they would grandstand about any and every social issue they could, desperate to seem all adult-like and active on political subjects. It gets tedious. They don't realize how ridiculous they appear.

    This one is screaming that he has "a medical condition." (Um, stupidity is not technically a medical condition, is it?) No, really, if he does really have one, why does he not comply, knowing that failure to do so will bring another shock?! Kinda gives lie to the idea that they ought not be tasering him because of this supposed "medical condition." If it's such a danger, why not agree to follow the officers' orders, which will preclude another shock?

    Much will be made of this, and of course the kid'll probably get a buttload of money, do the rounds of Larry King, Oprah, Hannity & Colmes or whatever. The cops'll swing for it. Now, I'm not sure, there may be some validity to the claims that maybe the cops should have just hoisted the jerk right outta there; the continued shocking does seem to be pretty pointless.

    Ugh.
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    I have to agree the kid was a dumba$$ and he got tased, but after he was handcuffed and still got tased, shame on the cops, it's no different than beating him with a nightstick while cuffed. They should have just drug him out, instead their lucky they didn't have a riot on their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrioticRick View Post
    ... but after he was handcuffed and still got tased, shame on the cops, it's no different than beating him with a nightstick while cuffed.
    Big, big difference. Obviously so. No blood. No pain. Merely interruption of the body's signals to the muscles. The idiot was not complying. Hands in cuffs does not equal compliance. He was still thrashing, resistant, putting the folks at risk whose job it would be to haul his ass to the car. Some folks just don't get the signals with ordinary requests. It was resisting arrest, plain and simple. Similar to Rodney King, frankly, but without pain/blood. Humane. Concerned for his welfare. Willing to allow him wide latitude. He did it to himself, even with bringing on the subsequent tasing.
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    One Mistake By The Police...

    was that they should have only TZ'd the punk once...but with the 'triple power' model.

    This was a show, greatly exaggerated by the newspaper reporter.

    The surrounding students...UCLA?...are only socialists in training who don't appreciate anything this great country has to offer...

    The cops should have quickly dragges his a-- out of there to avoid the show this idiot was putting on...

    I'm sure the cops will receive a little 'disgrace' by some 'politically correct' superior.

    Not a good scene any way you look at it!

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