Incident at my local gas station

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    Incident at my local gas station

    Late evening 06/04/2013: At a local gas station that I (and my family) frequent.
    I had just aired up by bicycle tire and was talking to a friend on my cellphone.
    I looked towards the back area of the gas station and saw this guy lying on the ground by the coin operated car wash and dumpster.
    He rose up a little and looked at me. Probably his sweet spot asking for change as people drive up to use the car wash.
    It was obvious to me he wasn’t hurt but just laying around.
    While I was on the phone he got up & walked over and propped his head on his arms on top of the air compressor box pretty close to where I was standing. I figured he was going to ask for money.
    As I continued to talk he asked me for 50 cents - I waved him off - said I didn't have any cash & I kept talking to my friend.
    Keeping an eye on him (didn't know anything about him at that time).
    He then told me I needed to get my bike and leave or he'd beat my $#%^.
    In my mind I was like – What? On no, he didn’t actually say that did he!
    I wasn't sure I heard what I thought I'd heard, kinda shocked me.
    I told my friend hold on a minute.
    I stepped up closer so I could hear him better – still at a safe distance and asked “What’d you say?”
    He gave an odd laugh and said the same thing again.
    I’m 6’4” tall – 240 lbs, Combat MP vet and this guy was half my size – but – I don’t let that keep me from being cautious. I know there are small guys out there that can clean my clock – especially if they have a knife or something else on them.
    It’s obvious to me he’s drunk (unless he’s acting).
    I told my friend I’d have to call him back as I got off the phone.
    He continued making threats. I called my local PD (I have their number saved in my cellphone) gave dispatch my name.
    I told her where I was and that a guy had asked me for money and then was threatening to beat my !@$@. She said she’d send someone out.
    Mean time He just stayed there calmly with his head on his propped arms and said “They’re not gonna show up – they aren’t gonna do you any good”& made some more threats.
    Again – I didn’t really take him to be a viable threat but still reached in my front right pocket and had my hand on my 45 just in case (Taurus PT145). I had no idea if he had a knife, gun or whatever on him.
    Even though I didn’t think he presented any real danger I was concerned for others too (mostly women) walking by going into the quick stop.
    About 7 or 8 minutes later my local PD Officer walked up from around the corner (I know this officer, friend of mine) he said “Mr. (drunk’s name), what did you do now?” – Then looked at me and said “He’s the town drunk”.
    I told my friend I might have just blown something like this off but my family stops here frequently – sometimes with me sometimes without and since he made threats I didn’t want to let this go.
    As he was putting the cuffs on the drunk –the drunk asked if he was taking him home – Officer said “Not this time, you threatened and insulted this man, you crossed over the line, this time you’re going to jail.”
    That’s how I met our “town drunk”.
    I wondered if he’ll remember what happened at all when he sobers up..??
    I look at my grandkids (under two years old) and think – years ago he was an innocent little kid much like they are now, how sad…
    Well, this reinforces what I say – better to have it (gun) and not need it than to need it and not have it. Some friends who carry – don’t when on bikes, I still do.
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    95B, glad everything turned out all right - this time. I could have gotten ugly. I don't think he will remember any of it if he was as drunk as you say. Maybe the Judge can remind him.
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    the only thing the drunk will get out of this is a hot meal and a night where he won't get stabbed by a cohort. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist but I'd bet he is far down a road he won't be redirecting from.

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    Good job!
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    Glad things turned out ok. Level headed thinking is underrated and your right, it is better to have it and not need it.
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    Wll played Sir.
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    Here's hoping that guy gets some help. That's no way to spend your life.
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    Good job. I carry when bicycling as well, and have since my best friend was found dead in a ditch wrapped around his bicycle. The only different move I would offer up would be to lose your conversation on the phone immediately upon the threat becoming apparent.
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    Great job, were in much the same boat, I am 6' 3" about 250 now I am in my 60's but cant tell you how many times I ve been called out while just minding my own business. Younger I was full of it, now I carry an try to do whats right. I would have done pretty much what you did. We even have same background MP. Did you ever try to chase anybody in a army jeep pretty funny.
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    I've ran into my share of town drunks as a cop. One of the most memorable encounters was when a so called "harmless drunk" pulled a 5" long knife on me while I was beginning a pat down. Needless to say it didn't end well for him. When I arrived at the station a detective approached me and questioned me about the arrest. After going over the details I showed him the evidence bag containing the knife. Immediately he told me that about a year ago their division opened an investigation on this guy for aggravated assault. The complaintant, a family member, reported the suspect had stabbed him at his home with a knife that he was know to carry always. They couldn't get the DA to prosecute because of lack of evidence (he said, he said match), and they could not find the knife even after a search warrant was executed. The detective believed this was the knife they were looking for.
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    My irrational side would have shot him in the knee caps and proceeded to say, "at least I can ride a bike."

    My rational side would have done what you did - nice job.
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    Good for you. I'm glad you restrained yourself and didn't offer to give him an air-hose douche or something ickky. :)
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    You never know what people like that have on their mind. Sometimes they don't either. Sometimes they act on impulse and don't remember doing anything. Sometimes they are looking for a safer place to sleep. It becomes a lifestyle for them. Really hard for the average person to understand. I don't see how they manage to stay alive. The scary thing is many of us are just a few paychecks away from the street ourselves now days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy8 View Post
    Great job, were in much the same boat, I am 6' 3" about 250 now I am in my 60's but cant tell you how many times I ve been called out while just minding my own business. Younger I was full of it, now I carry an try to do whats right. I would have done pretty much what you did. We even have same background MP. Did you ever try to chase anybody in a army jeep pretty funny.
    Haha, no jeep chasing for me. I was Army National Guard. We were in Hummers, OIF Iraq; No A/C - No Armor - that was for the full time Army guys. Now I know what a Roast in my wife's crock pot feels like.
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    some day he will threaten someone with less common sense and restraint than you showed.....and pooooffff. No more town drunk.

    You handled the situation very well, as I would expect from an experienced MP. Nice Job.
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