Workplace assault grossly mishandled

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    Workplace assault grossly mishandled

    My wife is a nurse in a local nursing home.
    At 7pm this evening a male cna( lets call him Joe)had an argument with a female cna who happens to be his girlfriend.
    As a result the girlfriend quit mid shift and went home, abandoning her pt care load.
    Four hours later a female cna friendly with the couple ( let's call her Gina) asked Joe what happened during the argument.
    Joe "allegedly" responded by grabbing Gina and pushing her up against the wall, and saying "mind your own business or I'll effing shoot you". This was later confirmed by a patient who witnessed the incident.

    At this point I need to give some background on "Joe". He is a self described and well known (according to other employees) chl holder who is known to keep a gun in his car( no ccw in nursing homes)He is ex military and allegedly known to have PTSD per a supervisor.
    After the incident, Joe went to my wife's floor where he was scheduled to work another 8 hour shift.
    Gina went to a supervisor and reported the incident. Instead of calling LE, the supervisor called the Director of Nursing (DON).
    The DON then called my wife and instructed her to let Joe start work but, that she would be coming in to suspend him.
    At this point my wife has no idea what had happened upstairs, so she just waited for the DON while finishing paperwork.
    Twenty minutes later the DON shows up with the assistant DON (both women), and proceeds to suspend Joe, then escort him out to his car. Luckily he left after saying "I think it's BS you won't hear my side of the story".
    The DON then went back inside and told my wife what had happened.
    I don't know if a police report has been filed, but I suspect LE wasn't involved to prevent bad press for the facility.
    I feel the DON put the employees and patients at risk by not involving LE.
    I'm fuming. Apologies for the poor writing and grammar, I'm on my iPhone.
    What do y'all think?

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    Very poorly handled. LE needs to be involved - and if they didn't show up before he left, most likely they're not. If it happened as stated, it's an assault at minimum ("if" statement and the distance to his public knowledge firearm might tamper the shoot threat, but that's for LE/Prosecutor to decide). More importantly, she apparently sent him home (does girlfriend live with him) with an apparent uncontrolled anger issue, recent history of assault, suspected mental health issues, and assumed access to a firearm, after allegedly threatening to use such firearm against a friend.

    More concerns:
    - Did anyone call the girlfriend to tell her he was coming home early?
    - Why is the supervisor discussing his HIPAA issues publicly?
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    What Joe did with Gina is assault. She needs to go to the local LE that has jurisdiction and file a complaint.

    Regarding the HIPAA info, it might depend upon the context in which Joe "shared" about his PTSD, if shared by Joe in common areas (around the break room, etc.) then my understanding is that this would not be a HIPPA violation.
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    assault and terroristic threat. this is why we have police. should have been called immediately.
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    In some states it is possible for anyone to report concerning behavior by a license holder to the issuing authority.
    I think both a police report and such a report to the license issuing authority are in order.

    Someone who makes threats to shoot another person should not be a license holder.

    I also think the DON didn't handle this smoothly or safely.
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    The DON should of notified law enforcement, risk management and administration ASAP.
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    What is a cna and a pt care? Then I might be able to figure out what is happening.
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    I'm guessing Certified Nursing Assistant Physical Therapy.


    Got the gyst of the thread anyhoo.

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    Cna- certified nursing assistant, pt. care- patient care. In regards to the PTSD, the employee shared the information with other employees, including a girlfriend and other friends, so there was no HIPPA violation. I still don't know if anything was reported to law enforcement, I'm thinking an anonymous tip may be appropriate. There was an employee suspension so there should be a paper trail if LE chooses to investigate.

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    I bet this was not this guy's first trip to the rodeo, if you know what I mean. To let someone with an obvious anger issue who had just threatened the life of a fellow employee to remain in a position of patient care is unbelievable. To me the DON (Director of Nursing) should be suspended or at least reprimanded and sent for training.
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    A credible threat of the lives of people was made, in front of witnesses. And, despite a known history, no LE was called to deal with it?

    Bad juju, I think. Very badly handled, given the dire circumstances and credibility of the threat.

    I'd be fuming as well.
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    This needs to be reported and if it's found to be true, Joe needs to lose his CHL before he actually carries out one of his threats. If the incident as described is true, this guy is a menace to others and gives a bad name to CHL holders. The nursing home is also risking the lives of its patients and staff, not to mention the threat of a lawsuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    This needs to be reported and if it's found to be true, Joe needs to lose his CHL before he actually carries out one of his threats. If the incident as described is true, this guy is a menace to others and gives a bad name to CHL holders. The nursing home is also risking the lives of its patients and staff, not to mention the threat of a lawsuit.
    Hey Ben, if joe looses his carry permit, should they take his guns as well? If they take his permit, it does nothing to the threat level. Its still very high. Do they take the guns before an arrest or does joe not even get arrested? Should the PD of been called yes, but we really do not have much more than a he said she said thing going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Should the PD of been called yes, but we really do not have much more than a he said she said thing going.
    She said, and apparently a patient witnessed it as well. That's two people.

    I agree, police should have been called, if the threat was credible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 91wm6 View Post
    Cna- certified nursing assistant, pt. care- patient care. In regards to the PTSD, the employee shared the information with other employees, including a girlfriend and other friends, so there was no HIPPA violation. I still don't know if anything was reported to law enforcement, I'm thinking an anonymous tip may be appropriate. There was an employee suspension so there should be a paper trail if LE chooses to investigate.
    OP-- you are in Texas and you can provide a tip to DPS. I don't know if you can do it anonymously, but I am pretty
    sure they won't reveal your ID to the license holder. That however will leave him with the suspicion that the tip
    came from either the DON or GINA. It is touchy, but I think you should give DPS a call, explain the situation, and let them
    deal with it.
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