"Could you? WOULD YOU?...."
Post #457 from the 9mm v 45 debate gave me the idea for this thread. Al Lowe made the observation that while he could hit with a 45, he wouldn't want to have to make the shot on some BG who had a hostage held in front of him.
That gave me an idea. Suppose that you are someplace where there is not a liklihood of police response anytime soon. Maybe a lonely rest stop in rural Florida waaaaaay up in the panhandle of the state along I-10. No facilities so unlikely there will be other motorists around. Maybe no cell phone connection available. You stop with your family to let your puppy "do his business."
There is nobody else in the area, but the woods are pretty close to the spot where you have parked. It is a clear, sunny day at about 2pm. Very cool temps. The kids frolic with the small Lab puppy in the center of the rest area. They are at least 35 meters from where you are standing and are in the center of the picnic area. You are wearing your favorite carry weapon. Your wife wanders fairly close to the trees and you are about to ask her to move back in your direction.
Suddenly a figure dashes from behind a tree. You instinctively draw your weapon but before you can complete the draw the individual has grabbed your wife and has a gun to her head! He is near the same stature as his hostage and he uses your wife as cover pretty effectively. He demands your gun (no surprise), all your money and your wife as his hostage for the purposes of "insurance."
He is shabbily dressed and has the look of a sociopath in his eyes. Like he's not quite in touch with reality. His weapon is a revolver, probably a ROSSI .357 magnum and it is COCKED. The kids haven't seen a thing and you're relieved that they have actually wandered a bit further away. You KNOW there is no way you can let him leave the lot if you want to survive along with the kids and wife. If you let him get control of your gun you're all dead, wife last and it won't be fun for her.
A cocked revolver is the closest thing to a factory installed "hair trigger." You know that your shot MUST snap the neural band. It MUST be a "no twitch" shot. Your only hope is straight thru into craniocular region. IOW, directly thru his right eyeball and that is peeking out from your wife's right ear. Fully exposed, but only by a hundreth of an inch.
The range to target is about TEN FEET.
DO YOU TAKE THE SHOT? Would you take the shot with confidence?
Let's say that your favorite carry gun is having some work done by your 'smith. So you have another gun with which you are not quite as familiar. Maybe it's a heavier caliber than you're "used to." Now what?
Remember, a miss by so much as an inch puts the shot outside the eyesocket and risks a diverted bullet. Might just shatter the cheekbone or nasal cavity. In that event there is going to be the inevitable clenched fist and the shot tripped into your wife's brain. The kids have noticed something is wrong. They start moving in your direction. Now what?
VARIATION #2 (please don't second guess this one; go with the flow)
Let's say that the gun in your hand is your DREAM gun...the one you've been saving for and wanted to buy for years. It's top of the line (name your wet dream here) but it's never been fired. You just couldn't wait to see how she carried on your hip. When you hold this baby in your hand, you just KNOW how the "Boy King" must have felt when he drew Excalibur from the stone. You know that this is the ONE. But you have no idea where it prints with the ammo you are using. Remember, no room for error. No help in sight.
Do you take the shot? Do you take the shot with CONFIDENCE?
~SIGH~ Welcome to the forum....
I'll try to be patient here. I ASKED you not to second guess the scenario....when I put in variation #2 but it really extends to everything...as most old timers here will figure out. EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED!
Originally Posted by netmechanic
I wrote the scenario to be as NEUTRAL as possible. It could just as easily happen anywhere. Your movie theatre parking lot. As you're Christmas shopping. Anywhere. I wanted this scenario, however to contain only certain variables. No help nearby, for example. No other complications, or worries (secondary innocents for example).
The point I'm trying to make is how confident are you in your abilities when the life on the line is not your own but something far more precious? How willing are you to respond? How sure are you that you can make that shot under pressure? You'd better plan and practice for this scenario. I personally wouldn't like to put my loved ones in the hands of a SWAT team unless I had no choice. In my scenario, there is NO choice.
BTW, I LIVE in Florida. I was born and raised here. I don't really appreciate that comment you made about child molesters and etc. THAT offends me.
I used to be a State of Florida probation and parole officer. You have no idea of the numbers of FELONS with which you come into semi close contact everyday. They sit beside you in church. Stand next to you in the line at the grocery. Sit behind you at the movie theatre. Park next to you in the mall. Smile at you with benign friendship because they're your next door neighbor. You'll never know.
They're not all scummy, unwashed, psychos who never got past the third grade. Many hold a college degree. Got it in the prison system, too. The prison system in every state is already stretched past the max, holding onto the baddest of the bad. But where do you think they keep merely those who are "BADDER" or just "BAD?" In the community, of course. With overburdened underpaid probation officers. When I was with my deptartment I was responsible for over 300 felons. That means I had to see each of them at least twice each month: One home visit and one visit at their place of employment.
When I first got to my office, my caseload was culled from the other officers. Back then most probation officers were female. So naturally, I got the most dangerous, misogynistic, and confrontational from each officer. Back then, the job description did not include firearms, but state law defined it as "law enforcement" so my bosses, aware of my army infantry background told me I could carry my 45 on the job, and IF the "shoot" was good they'd back me. That was 1986. Think it's gotten any easier?