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    Me the wife and son was at a hotdog joint on hope mills road the other day. when 2 guys walked in the made my spidey senses go off. one came in and went to the right of the counter and the other to the left. they never stepped up to the counter to order anything, the just keep looking around. The looked the place over. I was carrying my glock 22 with rear site laser, in my Blackhawk holster. they stayed there about 10 or 15 mikes. then left. I relaxed and return to chow. there was no way out for us as they blocked all escape routes. if they engaged the restaurant what in your opinion was my options. I am just trying to get some G2 here. Thanks











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    From what you describe, they didn't seem to be waiting to collect money for "Jerry's Kids"...
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    The decision to engage a threat that is committing a robbery, or in other words intervene, is one of those areas that is up for much debate. If you intervene to let's say prevent someone from being murdered, you have to take into account you will unquestionably draw fire in your direction. This means not only are rounds coming at you but also your family, thereby putting their lives in danger as well. The last thing anyone wants is to start a fire fight at your local Chucky Cheese or where ever you are at. If it is a question of preventing cash from being taken then I would have to say no. If your life or your families lives are in peril, then I would say doing anything from engagement with a CCW to stabbing them with a Spork if your mags run dry.
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    If my spider sense goes off & I'm with my family, we're putting enough money on the table to cover the meal/tip and hastily making a quiet exit. If I trust my instincts enough to start thinking about tactics, then I SURELY trust them enough to get my tribe away from the location. My shoes are quieter, less-costly & much less likely to require a lawyer than my...GLOCK.
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    Those who will rob a place like that threaten not just the cashier, but everyone one present. Take whatever action necessary to protect whoever you feel you need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    If my spider sense goes off & I'm with my family, we're putting enough money on the table to cover the meal/tip and hastily making a quiet exit. If I trust my instincts enough to start thinking about tactics, then I SURELY trust them enough to get my tribe away from the location. My shoes are quieter, less-costly & much less likely to require a lawyer than my...GLOCK.
    Drawing attention to yourself and your family in a situation where they are actually bad guys you then are putting them in more danger than hanging tight. What you just said is more than SA it is being paranoid.

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    With that setup, while you were taking of one, the other would be taking care of you - with your family in the middle. Sit down, shut up, let em go.
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    In an armed robbery, especially if there are multiple BG's, your best bet is to be a good witness, gathering specific details about their appearance, tattoos, get-away car, direction, etc. That is unless of course you or your family are in immediate life-threatening danger. It's a tricky situation because even if the BG pointed the gun at you and told you to hand over your wallet, you have to decide if potentially getting into a gun fight with 2 robbers is better than hoping that the robber will take your money and run. If you decided to shoot one and the other returned fire he could potentially hit innocent people while trying to shoot you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbaber View Post
    If you decided to shoot one and the other returned fire he could potentially hit innocent people while trying to shoot you.
    We all have the right to defend ourselves. The robbers are the ones committing the crimes here.
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    Short answer, if they just want the money, let them go. Get your family behind cover if possible, and away from you if you intend to act. As soon as they start shooting or threatening the customers(your family) is when I would engage.

    Long answer... it really depends on all of the details. You can never really have a pre-prepared answer because all of the detail make a difference.
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    It reminds me of the Bonnie Situation.
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    This is my take only. Not intended for anyone else to take to heart or act on.

    Im not clairvoyant. I assume that if a person is armed and produces that weapon in the act of a robbery mugging etc that they intend to use it. I really dont see the thinking about waiting to see if they use it. If I wait and hope they dont and Im wrong then Im hopelessly behind the curve and quite possibly a corpse. JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    We all have the right to defend ourselves. The robbers are the ones committing the crimes here.
    I didn't argue otherwise. Defending yourself doesn't always mean pulling the trigger, though. If you don't weigh all the options and think your actions though, it's likely you could be putting yourself, your family, and bystanders in more danger.

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    Hard call anyway you go---your exits are blocked and you have two potential actors. If they do produce guns and they are focused forward, nothing to stop you from shooting them in the back--BUT you will probably only get one before the other turns to engage the new threat--so is your own family now the backstop?? On the other hand, do you place yourself at their questionable mercy??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    Hard call anyway you go---your exits are blocked and you have two potential actors. If they do produce guns and they are focused forward, nothing to stop you from shooting them in the back--BUT you will probably only get one before the other turns to engage the new threat--so is your own family now the backstop?? On the other hand, do you place yourself at their questionable mercy??
    This^^^^^ I'm not attracting any attention to my family unless forced to do so.

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