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    Somebody tries to grab your holstered firearm

    I don't OC often, but I do sometimes and I pocket carry a jframe regularly. People can see my pocket gun if they are standing behind me.

    My question is this: what is the legal tactical response to someone trying to make a grab for your holstered weapon?

    Is this considered an assault? Personally, I would fear for my life if someone was trying take my gun from me.

    This thought occurred to me reading another thread on another forum where some libtard 18 year old girl is going crazy on guy at a coffee shop for OCing, then reaches out to grab his gun to make a point, I guess. He just turned and protected his weapon.

    Seems like my kneejerk reaction would be to cover my weapon, spin my weak side toward the threat and elbow said person in the face all the while drawing my weapon. Maybe some of you OC guys could chime in, you've had to have at least considered this possibility.

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    Attempted assault with a deadly weapon? That is what a gun-grab means to me.
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    I have never had that happen before in a OC scenario. However, I have had it occur twice (2) when I was a police officer. We were trained that an attempt to disarm you is to be treated as if you were being assault with a weapon. The theory being that the person attempting to take your sidearm is attempting to do so with the obvious purpose of using it against you or others. This being the only reasonable explaination of their actions, and the purpose that any reasonable person would come to in the same situation. If confronted with this situation now, as a retired LEO, I could only come to the same conclusion. Ergo my response would be to prevent the removal of the sidearm by any means I could, create distance, and assess the situation immediately. Should the attack continue after this, meaning the attacker re-engages me, I don't think anyone could assume they are not in imminent danger of losing their life. From a law enforcement perspective after I created the distance I discussed, I would have drawn an covered the suspect at gunpoint. I would think if I encountered this today I would do the same.

    You are likely to get a variety of different opions here, so please take into consideration that my perspective is from an LEO background.
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    Throat chop, knee to the groin.....
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    They have a good chance of getting that gun's bullets first.

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    well that all sounds good, and I understand in most states its spelled out that this is illegal to try and disarm a LEO, but what about a civilian? If there are no camera, or let me rephrase, no cameras that the NSA, FBI, CIA etc will not let you have access to, now it's your word against theirs. And if someone walked up after the fact, you are completely unharmed and you have possibly broken their nose and have a gun pointed at them...or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierLife View Post
    well that all sounds good, and I understand in most states its spelled out that this is illegal to try and disarm a LEO, but what about a civilian? If there are no camera, or let me rephrase, no cameras that the NSA, FBI, CIA etc will not let you have access to, now it's your word against theirs. And if someone walked up after the fact, you are completely unharmed and you have possibly broken their nose and have a gun pointed at them...or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierLife View Post
    My question is this: what is the legal tactical response to someone trying to make a grab for your holstered weapon?
    I think you're justified in using any hand-to-hand technique you know such as an arm bar, wrist lock or the wushu pinky hold.

    Remember, you have to stop when the threat stops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierLife View Post
    well that all sounds good, and I understand in most states its spelled out that this is illegal to try and disarm a LEO, but what about a civilian? If there are no camera, or let me rephrase, no cameras that the NSA, FBI, CIA etc will not let you have access to, now it's your word against theirs. And if someone walked up after the fact, you are completely unharmed and you have possibly broken their nose and have a gun pointed at them...or worse.
    Cops are civilians and have no more legal authority to kill someone than you or I.

    The modern legal standing comes from the 3rd Geneva Convention requiring that all persons have a legal status.

    The recognized statuses are:

    1. member of a nation's military (wearing a uniform, carrying arms openly, obeying a chain of command, conforming to the norms of conventional warfare)
    2. enemy combatants (civilians engaging in war [may include militia, but not always], or, members of the military who don't wear uniform, carry arms openly, obey a chain of command, or engage in guerrilla/terrorist tactics)
    3. civilians (not members of the military nor engaging in war).

    Police are not members of the military, neither do they engage in war, therefore police are civilians.
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    I'd go off on them like that lady that didn't get her chicken mcnuggets.
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    First of all, please use a level 2(@ least) retention holster when you are doing this.
    Second, dish them a full frontal assault on their melon.
    Use whatever is at hand in the store/street wherever.
    Beat them down, and call for security.
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    Mas Ayoob has demonstrated a number of weapon retention moves in his classes and various publications, but it's one thing to see the idea in print but quite another to become proficient at it. If you're serious about the issue, I'd ask around in your area for trainers who specialize in weapon retention.
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    It depends. If they have a hold on the gun, push down on their hand and the gun with my gun hand, turn toward them, then use my free hand for a judicious application of strikes to vulnerable areas (throat, eyes, groin). If I get really lucky, access my knife or my BUG.

    If they don't get a hand on it, create lots of distance and draw my firearm... What happens from there depends on them


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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    First of all, please use a level 2(@ least) retention holster when you are doing this.
    Second, dish them a full frontal assault on their melon.
    Use whatever is at hand in the store/street wherever.
    Beat them down, and call for security.
    "Open carry" in my state is any part of the gun showing. I really like my 1911, and my IWB holster is the most comfortable. Legally, I am openly carrying, even-though only half the gun is visible. What level-2 holster would you recommend for me?

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