Violent Looting Breaks Out When You're Shopping! Get to Your Vehicle & Get Away!

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    Violent Looting Breaks Out When You're Shopping! Get to Your Vehicle & Get Away!

    A government "shutdown" has caused funds for WIC, food stamps, EBT cards, etc. to be cutback or suspended. Some states were taking exactly this action in mid-October (about seven days ago) with those cutbacks to begin about November 1st. If the estimates of a week's supply of food in a typical household are accurate, then we could have/should have expected "food riots" at inner city grocery stores to begin about November 7th, give or take. What if you were "caught" in a grocery store when a "food riot" breaks out?

    How do you make your way through an angry, violent mob? The mob may take the riot as an opportunity to harm you! You may suffer some cheap shots and sucker punches or worse trying to get out of the building and into your vehicle.

    How do you drive away without getting stopped, pulled out, and beaten? Your vehicle will likely be hit with sticks, bottles, rocks, etc. and some windows will likely be broken. Your tires may be stabbed or slashed. Your way may be blocked by abandoned vehicles, timid drivers, shopping carts, etc.

    What is it in your everyday carry (EDC) that will help you survive? Are there items in the store that you might use to help you escape?

    Farfetched? What do you think?
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    I have been thinking on how one would go about becoming "the gray man" in such a situation. Im thinking that the best way not to be attacked by the mob, would be to appear to be one of them.

    To grab some items, and head to the doors with them. My logic being that you dont appear as someone with money, or worth robbing, if you too are clambering to get "your share" of free items with the rest of them.

    Someone will want to point out that "you might be charged with a crime", or whatever. Yeah, true. But if its a full blown riot, you got bigger concerns, there is almost certainly no security left to handle anything, and you can let a good defense atty handle the other. ALSO, in a grocery store, you almost certainly will only have misdemeanor amounts of things with you, no matter what you grab in your pretend stealing situation. Ie nothing over $500.00.

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    Not far fetched at all. I can say I would not be in that situation though. I'm ready for lights out. I have food, water, cooking fuel, and ammo to get my family by for a year with help from nobody.

    Anybody can prepare there family to not go hungry. Coleman camp stove, 50 lb bag of rice, and 25 lb bag of beans can be found for the price of one meal out at a nice reasturant.

    If I was caught in a similar situation my EDC includes 24 rounds of 45 ACP and 10 rounds of 38 spl +P. I would make it home and board up the windows with the pre-cut/drilled ply wood.
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    Terrific idea! Blend in.

    But what if you work there and are wearing the required "logo" shirt? Same goes for the delivery drivers and various service people that enter these stores as part of their jobs. And if we are talking about inner city stores that do most of their business with these government programs, the armed security officers the stores hire as deterrents to crime. How do they get away?
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    Remember a angry mob is no match for several tons of steel ...That and tear gas is legal in most places

    I read alot of survival books real and not . People don't realize how thin the wall of civilization is and how fast anarchy rains. A good reason to carry a trunk gun .

    I know I get caught in a mob I will find the thinnest part ( away from the good stuff..) and try to make it out of there. If anyone takes a blade or gun on me though , well I was fearing for my life .....
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    I dont never have and wont live in the outer city much less the inner city.

    That said, yes, such situations could happen. But it will never be because the Federal Government allowed itself to lose control of the very programs that keep it in a position of power. By either party. Maybe because it pushed to far in an attempt to become a dictatorship or tyrannical government and brought down hell on earth unwittingly for itself and this nations citizens as well. But never never never fear that the Feds will play the game to the point of actually shutting themselves down in any real terms for even a day.
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    If it is a Mob who is visually violent and causing destruction in front of/around me (and very obvious about it), I drop down to the appropriate transmission drive gear (manual) and let the truck take me away. Oops! We can sort that all out later. I can replace the truck. I only have one life. I can easily push vehicles or crunch other stuff.

    No matter what you drive, big or small, always leave yourself enough space at any stop light or intersection to be able to choose an exit route. At least 5 feet for most vehicles. Teach your Spouse and Children this. A vehicle is easily replaced........... though sometimes it might be a bit pricy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    If it is a Mob who is visually violent and causing destruction in front of/around me (and very obvious about it), I drop down to the appropriate transmission drive gear (manual) and let the truck take me away. Oops! We can sort that all out later. I can replace the truck. I only have one life. I can easily push vehicles or crunch other stuff.

    No matter what you drive, big or small, always leave yourself enough space at any stop light or intersection to be able to choose an exit route. At least 5 feet for most vehicles. Teach your Spouse and Children this. A vehicle is easily replaced........... though sometimes it might be a bit pricy!
    WARNING - One 'Bad' word is used at the very end of this video. Granted, they probably had a M-240 G or .50 mounted on top of the vehicle (with some other vehicles behind them)............ but this is agressive driving.......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    WARNING - One 'Bad' word is used at the very end of this video. Granted, they probably had a M-240 G or .50 mounted on top of the vehicle (with some other vehicles behind them)............ but this is agressive driving.......................

    Normal Northern VA rush hour driving.
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    In a panic, people tend to head towards the same door they came in - the main front door you go into the grocery store. Don't - because that's exactly where the mass of looters are pouring in. Grocery stores have rear exits and loading docks. Any building that size should also have fire exits that are clearly marked that should not be locked.

    If for whatever reason you cannot make your way to the rear exits, looks like you're going to have to blend in and make do. I'd flip my hoodie up, act like them and worm us out the front door. If they're shouting certain phrases, mimic them. Most of the looters are there to quickly go in and grab and run and aren't interested in people.

    And I always park the van where I don't have to back out of a space.
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    Pull my CC weapon, fire a couple of shots into the ceiling (ala Joe Biden's suggestion) and stroll out the door while everyone is huddled on the floor. LOL

    Seriously and as someone else suggested, if possible I would exit the building through the rear as I was calling 911.
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    I carry a gun and a knife, and the people most often with me carry either OC, or also a gun and knife (and is a 285 lb, 6'1" former boxer)
    I'd look for the nearest exit (fire escape, window, whatever) and take the shortest route taht doesn't lead me straight into a mob to exit the premises. If I have to take out some fools to escape, I'll attempt to do it as quietly as possible to avoid drawing attention.. so choke them out, pistol whip them, whatever.. avoid pulling the trigger unless I have no other choice.
    Thankfully, my vehicle is a Grand Cherokee with all wheel drive, so if I need to, I can throw it into 4 Low, and crawl over anything I need to, like a berm or divider in the road, dead zombies, whatever.. Again, having an AR pistol in the Jeep will clear the way of anything more resistant to my exit strategy.
    This is all assuming a worst case, SHTF, WRoL setting.

    This is all just a hypothetical, right?
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    #1 I don't know that if a "food riot" starts at a grocery that it is going to be a huge, overwhelming crowd to begin with. I'd guess people will start to filter in as they realize the shutdown has happened. It partially happened here in Louisiana a couple of weeks ago when the EBT cards ended up with no limit due to a computer error. It took the people a while to notice and then notify all their friends (using their free obamaphones...) before anything happened. And it was more of a huge shelf-clearing than a riot. They just took everything (electronics and all) they could grab and rolled.

    #2 If they were truly interested in food (or whatever) why would they stop to try to injure me? They'd be trying to get to the good stuff before their friends looted it all and they were only left with inexpensive cuts of meat, generic liquor, etc. Plus, the EBT crowd doesn't generally get outta bed until fairly late so an early morning sojourn to the grocery would keep you safe to begin with.

    I don't know that a shutdown would cause a true "riot". As happened around here, it just caused, essentially, looting of a Walmart and anyone who got hurt was just between the expensive items and the crowd of looters. Nothing, IMO, that I'd be worried about more than a normal trip to a grocery store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robhic View Post
    I don't know that a shutdown would cause a true "riot". As happened around here, it just caused, essentially, looting of a Walmart and anyone who got hurt was just between the expensive items and the crowd of looters. Nothing, IMO, that I'd be worried about more than a normal trip to a grocery store.
    Really? Look at the L.A. Riots. People riot at the drop of a hat. Rodney King, George Zimmerman verdict, Food stamp system broken, you name it... and some of those riots got very nasty. People got killed. Innocent non-involved civilians.
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    The riots you need to watch out for are those instigated and infiltrated by violent agitators who are there for the specific purpose of escalating violence for their own means. The LA riots would have been much milder or non-existent if the Crips and Bloods hadn't teamed up to turn the city into their own little playground. This kind of riot requires preparation and you can *always* see them coming in advance if you simply pay attention to the news.

    In any case, this is *not* what a food riot at a grocery store is like. People will be emptying the shelves of all movables, then you might start seeing ridiculous things get stolen (cash registers, shelves, grocery carts, signs, anything that's not bolted to the ground and some things that are). You'll be allowed to leave unmolested unless you do something really stupid like try to stop a looter. Just get your family, leave your groceries, and get out.
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