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    Question Sidearm Retention -- recommendations, techniques and gear

    In your training and experience, what are your recommendations for improving the odds for effective retention of your weapons, both in terms of techniques and gear? Got any "best practice" recommendations you've been taught? If you've got any links or references, by all means include them.

    Goes for carrying via any means (concealed, openly, belt/shoulder/ankle), when deploying the weapon and engaging.


    * Inspired by a recent thread ... Open Carry - Attempted Gun Grabs.
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    If you keep it concealed whose going to know it's there to grab?

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    Only concealed here in fl so no prob
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    We all know that no one ever has had a gun grab happen, I do not think we need to worry about it....

    On a serious note, I was taught by LE how to retain my weapon and use what ever means to keep it. That is one of the reasons I carry my TDI on my reaction side....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    In your training and experience, what are your recommendations for improving the odds for effective retention of your weapons, both in terms of techniques and gear? Got any "best practice" recommendations you've been taught? If you've got any links or references, by all means include them.

    Goes for carrying via any means (concealed, openly, belt/shoulder/ankle), when deploying the weapon and engaging.


    * Inspired by a recent thread ... Open Carry - Attempted Gun Grabs.
    As ccw9mm states, we should also explore retention techniques if we ever have to deploy our weapon in close quarters. There's always a possibility that the BG will try to grab the gun and disarm us. I haven't thought much about this, but it's obviously a possibility. And another possibility is losing our weapon in the heat of the moment - either from having a bad grip, nervousness, being wounded, etc. I'm interested in hearing recommendations and techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdave View Post
    If you keep it concealed whose going to know it's there to grab?
    Obviously, in any H2H fight with an assailant, it's possible the gun is found out to be on your person or when going after it in an earnest attempt to use it against the assailant. Either way, once the assailant knows it's there then it's very likely it would seem a tasty treat to be taken, or at least gotten control of. Plus, a concealed sidearm is something some people can pick out on many folks, with a good enough "eye," either due to bulges or demeanor (changes in how one walks/fidgets, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Obviously, in any H2H fight with an assailant, it's possible the gun is found out to be on your person or when going after it in an earnest attempt to use it against the assailant. Either way, once the assailant knows it's there then it's very likely it would seem a tasty treat to be taken, or at least gotten control of. Plus, a concealed sidearm is something some people can pick out on many folks, with a good enough "eye," either due to bulges or demeanor (changes in how one walks/fidgets, etc).
    Most of the counters I was taught I felt were simply ticket punches by the Dept. to lessen their liability when some one eventually disarmed an officer and killed them and members of the public. We are talking action vs. reaction so onesy twosy's and pirouettes I feel will be useless. Carrying an off hand knife or fire arm was not taught by any Dept. I worked for but IMHO they are the practical technique YMMV.
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    open carry an empty giant revolver, or better yet one chambered with a over charged .454 and solid barrel. and then conceal your real fighting pistol. best of both worlds, deterrence and gun grab proof.
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    I carry a government size 1911 concealed on my right hip and a BUG in my right front pocket.
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    I use thumb breaks on certain occasions, motorcycle, hiking, four wheeler riding, hunting and while on the tractor. I am just concerned about the weapon coming out and bouncing on the road, concrete, losing it in the woods or coming back for a second pass on a tractor and chopping the gun up with a bush hog. Any other time I just use a snug holster with no added retention. Sometimes, on the motorcycle, I carry a 3" 1911 cross draw IWB with a thumb break. I know it sounds crazy, but it sure is comfortable and draws very naturally. I have seen firearms bounce down the road because of loose holsters with no retention, sliding out of a pocket, or falling out of one of those "holster vests".

    My shoulder holsters, Bianchi X15s, have a retention strap with snaps. I never use the straps as there is more than enough tension to hold the guns in place. It is just not natural, for me anyway, to unsnap those straps.

    I tried one of those push button retention holsters. They seem to be a good idea, they just dont work for me. I guess that, over time, my thumb just start going to where the thumb break would be, whether the thumb break is there or not. I am too old to change.

    Retention of any kind is IMHO, a double edged sword. It may take 1/4 second more someone to get the firearm out of the holster. Retention is going to take the BG a lot more time to relieve you of your weapon. Then again, the gun is not going to fall out of the holster during physical activity.

    I would say, again IMHO, if someone uses some type of retention, stick with that type. If you like thumb breaks, then use thumb breaks. If you like the push button type, then use the push button type. I would never mix the two. Things are complicated enough without trying to remember which type of retention that you are using at that particular time. When training, train as if the retention is there, whether it is there or not.
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    If someone is trying to gain control of my firearm and I'm obviously in a fight for my life, my assailant will either get shot multiple times with my other gun or sliced and diced with my knife or some combination of the two.
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    Put your hand on the weapon and push it down into the holster while you shoot him with the snub you carry on your off side.

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    Seriously, this isn't something you can really learn from a book or discussion. Find someone who trains this stuff and get a partner to practice with occasionally after you get the training.
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    When is 'weapon retention' a serious issue, outside of going to a house of ill repute? It's when your firearm is being drawn and presented (at least if you watch movies).

    IMO, one should groove in a close to the body aspect when unholstering and avoid sticking your thang out into space and waving it around. Then, when you have the target in view, push and fire. (auto-correct kept changing it to upholstering, lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by technomonster View Post
    open carry an empty giant revolver, or better yet one chambered with a over charged .454 and solid barrel. and then conceal your real fighting pistol. best of both worlds, deterrence and gun grab proof.
    Now there's an idea I've never had before!
    My first reaction is perhaps getting the decoy gun confused with the fighting gun, if suddenly required into a SD situation. Hmmmm.

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    Within a safe environment, both gun and knife disarms are ridiculously easy to pull off. Whether the disarms work in the real world involves a bit of luck and wishful thinking. Similarly retention against someone determined to get yours is difficult, especially if they either get lucky or know what they are
    doing.

    My great fear is not having one taken from concealment, but taken from my hand while it is deployed or being deployed. I don't think there is a
    "magic" trick or technique that can be relied upon. Young male BGs are often fast, agile, and have practiced their own "jail house" martial art either on the street or in the jail house.

    In post 12 Jim's second sentence about says it all.
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