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    With all the recent shootings around the country and my ccw appointment coming up I began to wonder... If you are in the middle of a large scale response from police ie. Shooter in mall, would you pull out your pistol or keep it concealed until the threat is in your line of sight?

    I just imagine being confronted by an anxious cop looking to be a hero.

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    If you are in the middle of a mass shooting you will either be dead or should be in a safer place by the time LEO arrive. Find a safe place to hold up or get out by a secondary exit. I don't see the main exit being a good plan for leaving. There is going to be a mass movement of the crowd to it and that doesn't allow safe and controlled escape.

    Once LEO start to show or you have moved to exit keep your gun out of sight. Don't let LE see you holding a gun in hand as they will be ready to shoot whoever they see with a gun on sight. Also if possible let them know where you are before they/LE sees you. They are still going to take control and give you orders (obey them) this is a time to comply.

    Also there may be other CCers in the area also when it first goes down. So keeping your gun out of sight could be a good idea even then. If you are moving keep the gun hidden (in my book would be good idea) Also just because you see someone with a gun in hand does not mean they are the BG, in a mass shooting. Make you judgement call by their actions not what they have in hand. Know your target before you pull the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.E.llano View Post
    I just imagine being confronted by an anxious cop looking to be a hero.
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    Im not a cop...

    That being said, my duty is to get out of the way of the people whose job it is to deal with it & keep myself & my family safe. IF my life or the life of my loved ones is in danger I will do everything in my power to stop the threat, but it is not my responsibility to play "Guy Gunplay" and try to be a hero.
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    You are conceal carrying to protect you and your family. If the threat poses an immanent danger to you then it is your duty to neutralize the threat. If not then duck behind some where and draw your pistol and cover it from view and monitor the situation and be prepared to protect you and your family.

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    Bad guys only carry scary black rifles so if a person has a pistol he's a good guy. Easy enough!
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    Unless your 17 why would you want to go to a mall? This mystifies me. Nothing there you need. Want to buy junk from china go to alibaba online save the aggravation

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    If you are in a mall that is being shot up, and you don't even see the shooter, why would you pull out your gun? If the threat hasn't presented itself to you, why would you draw?

    Depending on your ideology, philosophy, ethos, etc., the decision to pursue, run away, hide, etc., is up to you. Regardless of which you choose, if you are not in a position to actively engage the threat, then keep it in your pants, or you may very well suffer from a case of mistaken identity. If nothing else, witnesses will start identifying you as the man with the gun. If you are in a position that you can engage the threat, then take whatever action you deem necessary, and follow your state and local laws concerning use of force. In GA, you can use deadly force to stop a forcible felony, whether you are the victim or not, and you can use force, including deadly force, to defend a third party as well as yourself. So know your laws, and make your own choices.

    But no, I wouldn't draw until I saw a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy8 View Post
    Unless your 17 why would you want to go to a mall? This mystifies me. Nothing there you need. Want to buy junk from china go to alibaba online save the aggravation
    If you're buying your chinese goods from a man named "alibaba", you might have other problems.
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    This is very easy, you pull your firearm when you are intending to use it. That is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.E.llano View Post
    With all the recent shootings around the country and my ccw appointment coming up I began to wonder... If you are in the middle of a large scale response from police ie. Shooter in mall, would you pull out your pistol or keep it concealed until the threat is in your line of sight?

    I just imagine being confronted by an anxious cop looking to be a hero.

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    If I and my family can exit safely, I would do so. My gun won't be seen until I am ready to use it.

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    Unless i was in direct line of fire i would be like a banana and split . I know i will take and help other people to safety for sure and if we were pinned down i would protect a group of people . IMHO I would try to mitigate further harm from being done to others .
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    First off, I don't do malls. Now, that being said, if I am someplace and an active shooter situation begins, I am grabbing the wife and getting out of Dodge, it the opposite direction of gun fire. If I can't get out, I'm taking cover, drawing my gun and waiting.....if the shooter comes into my zone, I'll take him out, if the police come into my zone, my gun hits the floor and my hands will remain visible to them. In a high stress situation like that, anyone with a gun in hand, without a badge, is going to be Swiss cheese at the first wrong move.
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    DO NOT expose your weapon to the LEO's responding to the emergency until ordered to do so.

    Keep it concealed or if you have already drawn the weapon, lay it on the floor mand back away if and when you encounter the responding officers. DO NOT try to reholster, expose or draw your weapon once the LEO's have spotted you .A good way to get mistakenly identified and shot.

    This is, of course, after the threat has been neutralized and you are sure the officers have everything under control.
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