This is a discussion on Armor within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Okay, this comes up occasionally but it hasn't for awhile now. How many of you incorporate armor into your home or personal security regimen? Note ...
November 14th, 2013 04:35 AM
Okay, this comes up occasionally but it hasn't for awhile now. How many of you incorporate armor into your home or personal security regimen? Note that I use the word armor as opposed to just saying soft body armor, concealable armor, etc. So I guess I'm casting the net wide to include armoring vehicles, plates in your doors, walls or backpacks as well as armor worn on the body. Let me say from the outset that I know some people are really anti-armor, considering it paranoid. Fair enough. If you think it's prudent carry a firearm in your EDC but draw the line at armor, that's your call. Myself, I think that if it doesn't interfere with your normal lifestyle, why not consider armor? I don't really think I'd go with body armor for EDC but I think it's a good option at home. Here I've chosen my battlefield and my ground, and here I don't need to wear it all the time, just have it ready if necessary.
A ways back I purchased the basic US Palm Defender armor with the holster and mag pouches. The basic version ships with just one Level IIIa panel, in the front (one can be purchased for the back). My thinking was that I could have very basic armor preloaded with a few mags, a Surefire light and a pocket for my cell, ready to go and hanging on the back of my bedroom door. If I hear the proverbial "bump in the night" I wouldn't have to scramble for the basics- just put it on like a jacket and go. In a home defense scenario I think just having armor protection on the front is acceptable. I'm not gonna clear my house or go "rambo", just hole up. Overall I think this is a pretty good but affordable product.
Recently AR500 Armor ran a Veteran's Day sale, 15% off all armor. Since I don't recall ever seeing them go on sale before I decided to spring for two of the new Lightweight IIIa Curved AR500 panels. This is thinner version of their regular AR500 steel armor but about 0.18" thick. Being AR500 steel it should stop hundreds of rounds of any handgun and maybe some rifle rounds, too. Splatter is a concern to me...it doesn't help much if the round is stopped but the splatter cuts your carotid artery! The AR500 armor all has some Paxcon coating that hopefully mitigates splatter to a degree. My tentative plan is to swap out the soft armor in my US Palm rig with the AR500 stuff. This would free up one panel to maybe add to my Maxpedition Kodiak Gearslinger.
In my house it would be kind of difficult to force entry quickly or quietly. Anyone kicking in the door will need time and make some noise. A lot of the time I'm home in my bedroom since that's where I tend to study and it's where I have my computer. That door also has a lock. So I think the odds are good that if I'm home I can probably get to my armor. And of course, if I can't then I can't. But it's going to be an option at least some of the time.
Maybe it's paranoid but I've been considering trying to source a plate of AR500 or comparable steel that I could use to armor the door to my room. This would be to help reinforce it as a safe room. Again, just musing at this point.
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November 14th, 2013 05:56 AM
November 14th, 2013 08:29 AM
I have a ballistic vest that I bought used from the folks at BulletProofMe. It is left over from my days as an Auxiliary PO. I keep it under the bed, right next to my GunVault. Very quick to throw it over my head in case of a bump in the night.
I also have a ballistic insert that I keep in my briefcase. I usually keep that on my passenger seat in the car. Very easy to throw it up against the window if I get trapped in my car - gives you time to drive away or draw a weapon.
Remember - not getting shot is more important than shooting the BG.
November 14th, 2013 08:42 AM
If you are going to armor your door, don't forget to reinforce the door frame and hinges too........
I have a vest with level IV ceramic plates, and 3 AR mags---heavy sucker, but rather comforting in certain circumstances.
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November 14th, 2013 08:58 AM
This is just my opinion... to me unless you are in the military, law enforcement or some other profession the puts you at high risk of being shot, armor crosses the line of being prepared to being paranoid.
If I felt I need body armor I would take a serious look at my life choices! Do I live in a dangerous area, do I go to dangerous place?
I'm not going to live my life in such a state of fear of being shot that I need to were body armor!
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November 14th, 2013 09:02 AM
I have never thought of armoring my home. That would be a major expensive project. Also remember, if they can't get in, you can't get out.
I have a Safariland Level IIIa from my Sheriff's Reserve days but it just hangs in the closet waiting for the STHTF.
I like all
kinds of foreign guns.
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November 14th, 2013 09:23 AM
If I have to armor my home or car, I'm living/driving in the wrong neighborhood. I'll leave the body armor to the infantry.
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November 14th, 2013 09:27 AM
Theres such a thing as Paranoia and such a thing as being prepared,wearing a vest 24/7 would border on either you have a high threat job or your paranoid,having a vest to throw on in case of a home invasion gives you some added protection to COM if there is any gun fire.
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November 14th, 2013 09:32 AM
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November 14th, 2013 09:39 AM
I do not own any body armor.
That being said I'm not against it. Every tech is a matter of convenience vs. effect. If body armor still was super inconvenient then yah, I'd call it paranoid because you're willing to make such an extreme change for such protection. But nowadays I believe you can get level III armor that conceals under an average loose fitting t-shirt. My CPL instructor wore body armor in our class under a t-shirt...I think I'm the only one that noticed, and even I just thought it was the outline of a "wife-beater" tank until about 5 hours into the class at the shooting range when I realized it was a tad thicker than an undershirt...but if I hadn't been hanging around him that long in such circumstances I would have never mulled it over long enough to realize what was going on. If he had been wearing something other than a relatively not-that-loose fitting cotton t-shirt I would have never known.
As far as armor around the house...I think everyone should at least figure out what spots in their house are the most likely to stop bullets. I have a part leading to my living room that has a wall jutting about about 4 feet or so, is covered by 6 inches thick of solid stone all the way to the ceiling, and has a giant cast iron wood stove in front of it. If possible that would definitely be my cover for any home intruder situation. Not really "armor" in that it wasn't designed for the purpose...but it sure fits it.
November 14th, 2013 09:45 AM
Armor is a bridge to far for me. At least right now. There is only so much one can do, and after a year of threatened gun bans, and ammo shortages, I have spent enough....for some long while, lol.
That being said, honestly for the home/defensive location, I like the thought of keeping them from getting to my position, more than armor. A chain saw could fell trees to impede movement by vehicles. I look to the Roman Army, and middle ages stuff, for other ideas, lol. Even limbs from thorn trees could be put out. They stopped foot & horse traffic back in the day, and would today, too. I expect that they would pop most tires, too.
November 14th, 2013 09:57 AM
I actually underwent major surgery years back to implant very strong metal into my body. I'm practically bullet proof.
I also underwent genetic redesign to heal faster. I'm practically invincible.
Oh wait…sorry…I was channeling Wolverine for a minute there.
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November 14th, 2013 10:05 AM
But seriously, if I could afford a good vest and sapi plates, I'd buy it.
I wouldn't wear it around ever, but throwing one on in the middle of the night when all you've got on is boxer shorts wouldn't be a bad thing should your home be invaded.
It'd also be good in SHTF situations, gov't takeover, things like that. When bullets start flying, a vest won't be a bad thing to have invested in.
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November 14th, 2013 10:17 AM
body armor? personal preference, if thats what you want or feel you need, i wont hold it against you but currently i dont feel its a standard (like being armed) yet.
Physical security in your home? ALWAYS a good idea to harden your nest.
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November 14th, 2013 10:44 AM
I will admit to sometimes wearing my vest to the range...given how unsafe some others are when shooting.
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