LAPD Apartment Shooting

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    LAPD Apartment Shooting

    The thing I find most interesting about this one is the lead up to the drama. It was a train wreck that could be seen coming a mile away. Stupid people, stupid places, stupid things.

    ABRIDGED SUMMARY OF CATEGORICAL USE OF FORCE INCIDENT AND FINDINGS BY THE LOS ANGELES BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS
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    OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING 008-07
    http://www.lapdonline.org/assets/pdf...%20Summary.pdf

    Reason for Police Contact
    Officers A and B responded to a report of an assault with a deadly weapon. After talking to witnesses about the incident, Officer A requested additional units. Officers C and D, along with Officer E, responded to assist. The officers contacted Subjects 1, 2, and 3 inside an apartment. Subject 3 became combative and the officers subdued and handcuffed him. After he was handcuffed and partially searched, Subject 3 was moved into the common hallway. Officer C guarded Subject 3. While still handcuffed, Subject 3 produced a handgun and shot Officer C. Officers A, B and E responded to assist Officer C. Officers A, B and E shot Subject 3.

    Subject 3: Male, 24 years. Deceased (X)

    Incident Summary
    On January 21, 2007, Witnesses A, B, C and D (father, mother, and two teenage daughters, respectively) were living in an apartment in Los Angeles.

    Witnesses A and B drove Witness C to a local high school to visit her friends. They dropped Witness C off and drove back to their apartment.

    Subject 1 and Subject 2 contacted Witness C as she loitered in the vicinity of the high school and asked her about purchasing some marijuana. Subjects 1 and 2 had been in the area since noon, panhandling and smoking marijuana.

    As the trio walked down the street they encountered Subject 3. Subject 1 and Subject 3 were passing acquaintances. On this evening, Subjects 1 and 2 purchased marijuana from Subject 3. The group, which now included Subject 3, walked to a liquor store and Subject 3 bought them some beer. Subjects 1, 2 and 3 smoked marijuana and drank beer, while Witness C consumed only beer.

    Witness C called Witness B and asked if it would be permissible to bring Subjects 1, 2 and 3 home for a short visit. Witness C was told it was permissible to bring the three of them with her; however, only for a short visit. Witness C and the three subjects traveled to Witness C’s apartment complex.

    Witness A was asleep when Witness C and her companions arrived. Subjects 1, 2 and 3 were introduced to Witnesses B and D. Witness C, and Subjects 1, 2 and 3 entered Witness C’s bedroom, closing the door behind them.

    For the next several hours, Witness C, and Subjects 1, 2 and 3 drank beer, listened to music, and chatted on the Internet. Subjects 1, 2, and 3 also smoked marijuana. From time-to-time, these four were joined by Witness D.

    Witness C then informed Witness B that Subjects 1, 2 and 3 wanted to spend the night. Witness B reluctantly agreed to letting them stay; however, she warned Witness C they would need to keep the noise down.

    A short time later, Witness B entered Witness C’s bedroom and told Subject 1 that he and his friends had to leave the apartment. Subject 1 shouted profanities at Witness B and told her they would not leave.

    Because of Subject 1’s aggressive behavior, Witness B was in fear for her and her family’s safety. Witness B woke Witness A, and together they walked to a payphone in order to call the police for assistance.

    Posing as a concerned neighbor, Witness B contacted the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Metropolitan Communications Dispatch Center (CD) 911 Emergency. She advised the Emergency Board Operator that three men, one of whom was armed with a knife, were in her neighbor’s apartment and were threatening the female occupant. According to Witness B, her deception was designed to protect her family.

    CD initiated a broadcast of a possible assault with a deadly weapon (ADW) in progress.

    Officers A and B monitored the broadcast and responded to the location.

    When Officers A and B arrived at the front of the apartment complex, Witnesses A and B met them. Witness B revealed her initial deception to the officers and informed them that it was her family that actually needed police assistance.

    Officer A decided to request and wait for an additional unit prior to dealing with the subjects inside the apartment. Officers C, D, and E acknowledged the call and drove to Officers’ A and B location to provide assistance.

    Officer A briefed Officers C, D and E in the courtyard of the apartment complex. The officers formulated a tactical plan to contact the subjects, detain them, and determine if a crime had occurred.

    Witnesses A and B accompanied the officers to the second floor landing of their apartment building. The witnesses provided a key to their apartment to Officer B. The witnesses were directed to stay behind a fire door located at the north end of the north/south hallway.

    The officers found the north-facing door to the apartment closed, but unlocked. The officers opened the door, announced their presence, stating, “Los Angeles Police Department,” and entered the cramped apartment.

    Note: The apartment was small, with one bedroom and one bathroom. The living room served as an additional bedroom. Two mattresses had been placed on the living room floor in order to provide sleeping accommodations for Witnesses A, B and D.
    And then the drama ensued, eventually resulting in one police officer being shot and wounded, followed by fellow officers shooting the assailant (Subject 3) dead.
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    Enough officers, subjects and witnesses one through three and A through D to make for a confusing read.
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    Not searching or not doing a thorough search is far more common than most people think.

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    A patrol unit picked up a suspect at the hospital where he was causing some problems after being brought in for treatment of an injury. He was cuffed (hands in front) and put into the back of their unit, and transported to the county jail. After securing their firearms at the jail, one of the officers opened the back door of the car to get the suspect and was greeted by the muzzle of a .44 magnum. The BG fired as the officer deflected the gun resulting in the officer no longer having a thumb on his left hand, but otherwise uninjured. He and his partner were able to subdue the guy. Asked afterward why they had not found the revolver, they said that they didn't search him. For some strange reason, they thought that since they were picking him up from the hospital, he would have been searched by the ER staff. Oops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Enough officers, subjects and witnesses one through three and A through D to make for a confusing read.
    True. That's why I often make small dioramas of incidents, just so I can understand what went on. It's also why I rail against the "Myth of the Lone Gunman" in my classes. We spend almost all of our time practicing as if a scenario is only going to involve ourselves and one gunman. But, in fact, there are often, perhaps usually, a lot of people around.
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    Just tell me you would want to be a police officer in one of these asylum cities run by their inmates and democratic liberals( I think the last two descriptions are synonyms).

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    An inmate in Texas was taken to an outside hospital. He eventually refused the tests the doctors wanted to do there and was returned to the prison. Hours later he was told to pack his belongings because he was being transferred to a different prison. The officers did not properly search or restrain the inmate for the trip, only handcuffing him in front of his body. The inmate used a wheelchair and it is likely this made the officers believe he couldn't offer much resistance.

    During the trip a shot was fired by the inmate into the roof of the van. He then instructed the officers to disarm and pull over. He held the gun on the driver while the passenger opened his door and removed his handcuffs. He then retrieved the officers' weapons and left the area on foot. Houston PD arrested the subject a couple of days later.

    This happened a few years ago, the inmate recently died of natural causes in prison. It should serve as a warning to all officers, whether police officers or corrections. Even when a subject has been in a controlled environment they may surprise you with what they have in their possession. Heck, there were reports that an attorney in Virginia found a gun inside the typewriter owned by his recently executed client- though I believe the state still denies it and says it was planted. Bad guys have proven to be able to come up with things when you least expect them to have it.
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    Witness A & B were very stupid and nave to have let their daughter bring the trash INTO their home.
    And then give them free rein of their home.
    Stupid.
    Glad they were smart enough to formulate a plan to get help without raising suspicion.
    Agreed, the police were negligent in not searching the combative subject after he was the recipient of the silver bracelets.
    That, IMHO should be SOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Witness A & B were very stupid and nave to have let their daughter bring the trash INTO their home.
    And then give them free rein of their home.
    Stupid.
    That was my point. Your teenage daughter comes home after drinking beer with three guys who have been smoking dope (please don't tell me they couldn't smell both of those.) And then they want to hang out in her room with the door closed. Nothing good comes of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Witness A & B were very stupid and nave to have let their daughter bring the trash INTO their home.
    And then give them free rein of their home.
    Stupid.
    Glad they were smart enough to formulate a plan to get help without raising suspicion.
    Sounds like the parents were trash too.
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    Poor decision making tends to lead to less than desirable outcomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevew View Post
    Sounds like the parents were trash too.
    Or terminally naive
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    Stupid people raising stupid children who play stupid games with stupid friends, leading to a stupid shooting where five officers apparently make the stupid mistake of not properly handcuffing a suspect and then double down with the stupid mistake of not thoroughly searching a suspect believed to be armed.
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    Many years ago, and one of the members here was at the scene when this happened, a man was in a bar waving a gun around. Police were called. He was arrested, placed in cuffs and then searched. No gun was found. The bar was searched, no gun was found. The subject was searched again. No gun was found. An officer about to go off duty volunteered to jail the suspect and he searched the man before placing him in his unit. The officer pulled out of the bar and was about to go under a traffic light when he was shot in the back by a .357 mag. The unit hit a guard rail and the officer staggered out of the unit and died. The man escaped into a subdivision but was soon caught after being hit with a blast of a 12 ga. He went through several searches and nobody found the gun. His hands were cuffed behind him. He was executed about 20 yrs later. The perp had escaped from a prison in the northeast where he was serving time for murder. Two days later, he was in the local area and his sister took him in, bought him a .357 S&W model 19 with a four inch barrel.

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    Where was he keeping the gun?
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