Dealing with trespassers on the farm.
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December 14th, 2013 01:06 AM
Dealing with trespassers on the farm.
You own an acreage. It's rifle deer season and from the farm house you see two trespassers in orange walking in off the road to hunt. The county sheriff and game warden are a minimum of 30 minutes away, and expecting them to get there in time to write a citation is futile. So you hop on the 4-wheeler to go run the trespassers off. They are obviously armed with high powered rifles. Do you:
A. Carry concealed when you approach them.
B. Open carry when you approach them.
C. Stay at the house and call the county sheriff or game warden.
December 14th, 2013 01:10 AM
C. Call if your concerned.
If they are doing something inherently dangerous that I must intercept either A or B.
By dangerous I mean immediate threat. Shooting towards my animals, other homes, etc.
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December 14th, 2013 01:17 AM
Grew up in Iowa, had to deal with this all the time. Call C and approach B was what I was doing as a 15 year old kid.
They think they don't need firearms because they never have needed them.
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December 14th, 2013 01:19 AM
If the guys are wearing blaze orange and its daylight hours, chances are they are mistaken about property lines and not outright poaching (although there's the "hide in plain sight" thing that should be allowed for). I would first call the sheriff and/or game warden, but if I'm on the 4-wheeler I'm also in blaze orange. Next thing I'd do is get the plate number off the truck, and if I'm really in a bad mood (like if I think these guys have trespassed before), I might let the air out of a tire. I doubt I would confront them in the field, but I'd have my own rifle on the 4-wheeler (as long as I don't drive on a public right of way), and I'd be glassing them to keep track of where they are.
At worst, they'll get a deer or two, before the law arrives. Not worth risking my life for if I don't know who they are. And if they're out there for hours before the law arrives, if they parked on your property, have the truck towed. Hopefully you'll be watching when they come back, with venison or without, and find their truck gone... that should be worth a laugh or two.
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December 14th, 2013 01:24 AM
Poaching tresspassers dont wear blaze orange. Now that doesnt mean that they have any sense. And yeah, Id carry, but doubt it would be needed.
December 14th, 2013 01:25 AM
I normally go down and talk to them. I open carried a handgun and had a rifle in the pickup. I've only had one or two that wanted to argue. DR
December 14th, 2013 01:32 AM
Sure they do. I have a regular poacher on my land and he wears blaze orange because he doesn't want to get shot.
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December 14th, 2013 02:15 AM
C is the smart choice....
The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.
December 14th, 2013 02:50 AM
In my much younger days, we had some acreage back in the middle of 'no where'...I disliked those hunters who parked on my property to hunt in my woods. Wouldn't you just know it, some vandals let the air out of all four of their truck tires. When they came back to the vehicle, they came pounding on my door, but didn't get much sympathy from me.
I was pretty aggressive and very bold back then...and it was all taking place on my land.
Words were exchanged, I invited them to leave, and after the tow truck found them an hour or two later to fill their tires...they never came back.
If I were in that same situation today, I would probably not gamble an interaction over a deer...even on my property. I'd probably only deflate ONE tire, take a pic of the truck and call the sheriff.
We're talking about a different 'society' today, than one 40 years ago. One never knows who would shoot someone else over a minor mishap, and it's not worth the hassle. I'm assuming that you have your land posted.
One thing you could do is instead of posting "No Hunting"...post "Hunting/$250 Per Day"...if caught, you have some pressure you can apply.OMOYMV
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December 14th, 2013 04:05 AM
On my land, I deal with it. Been doing it since I was a young kid from time to time though we usually let anyone that actually asked to hunt do so. Back then my family owned three farms so we didnt really care except to let them know which fields held cattle or horses so they would be careful not to shoot one.
Now the one I and my dad hunted was off limits to anyone but us. Never had a problem with hunters. Punks, thieves, the occasional steer killed at night and quartered if you could actually catch the person/person sometimes needed a little persuading, but never a problem with hunters as far as arguing about it.
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December 14th, 2013 08:24 AM
If you don't want people to hunt on your property it should be properly posted. If it is posted and they ignore the signs, they might not be the kind of folk who would be open to being told to leave. I see no sense in putting yourself in a potentially dangerous situation to prevent something that posses no threat to you. Take down the tag number and call the authorities.
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December 14th, 2013 09:25 AM
In Ohio, it is illegal to hunt on private land without written permission of the property owner. No need to post.
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December 14th, 2013 09:55 AM
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December 14th, 2013 09:56 AM
"The county sheriff and game warden are a minimum of 30 minutes away, and expecting them to get there in time to write a citation is futile."
Call anyhow. They'll probably still be there. Make sure your land is properly (IAW the law) posted and have them trespassed by LE.
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December 14th, 2013 10:03 AM
Same in CT, not that either the law or posting stops some people; usually the same ones who think putting holes
Originally Posted by Mike1956
in traffic signs is hunting.
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