Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you are ready for an encounter

Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you are ready for an encounter

This is a discussion on Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you are ready for an encounter within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; For once, can we get some USEFUL advice? | Stuff From Hsoi I totally agree with this. I have seen too many scenarios where the ...

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    Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you are ready for an encounter

    For once, can we get some USEFUL advice? | Stuff From Hsoi

    I totally agree with this. I have seen too many scenarios where the first action is to draw the gun instead of dealing with the immediate threat and then drawing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExactlyMyPoint View Post
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    I totally agree with this. I have seen too many scenarios where the first action is to draw the gun instead of dealing with the immediate threat and then drawing.
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    Yes, and it takes a lot more practice than most people might think.
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    Yep to all

    SA is key .. Why I like pocket carry .. If you see trouble/off looking dude/dudted hand goes in the pocket nothing sinister but if he pulls a blade a gun or cocks a fist then hello . Heck if all else fails fire through pocket ..

    And yeah OC/CN spray is great esp when at hand ready to go should at least give you time to get off x and go for a piece .. Or run like heck...

    I think it is silly to have 9 1 1 pre programed .. Its great but how long will the police take .. If there is park police yeah mabye you get lucky but if kidnap/blitz..

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    Words of wisdom.
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    Thankfully, I arrived into the carry permit world with an established self defense repertoire, philosophicaly and physically. I couldn't have considered it any other way.

    We need more free - free as in Debian and free as in beer - self defense clinics at ever mall and every town recreational center around the country.
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    I couldn't agree more! If your sidearm isn't already in your hand when the fight starts then it's not a primary weapon. Anyone that trains to only to fight with guns is only training for one part of the problem.
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    Yes I do agree with this, I have about 20+ years in the martial arts so to go along with my training guns and shooting will come in handy, but I haven't practice the martial arts in a while now but I think that if I had to I can come up with some blows, good video and thanks for posting.
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    What? Wait. H2H training? Prepare for an attack? I am not Rambo. I have read the stats 3 yards, 3 rounds, 3 seconds. My 500 S&W that I carry daily, well almost daily, ok sometimes will blow him out of his socks before he can flinch. I will be able to gun my attacker down before he gets close enough to strike me.

    Great video and great advice.
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    Last time we had this conversation I was told that I was being too macho to think that hand to hand skills would be needed and that they wouldn't work if I needed to use them. (Never mind the fact that I have posted here about a situation in which I did use H2H skills.)

    If you think the gun is the answer to every problem you're missing a lot of possibilities. I just pray that you never have to find out how often a gun isn't a solution, or a possibility.
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    Interesting thoughts. I can't say if there is a right or wrong in the video. I do agree with most of it; but.....Yep; there is always a "but"....

    As a well trained martial artist, I can probably hold my own better than most. The problem I see for people like myself
    is one of "dynamics." The (attack) initiated by the aggressor will change rapidly in real life and often seem to come out of nowhere as the video clearly shows.

    It is well known a trained martial artist can kill another human with greater odds of executing such a counter attack compared to a untrained fighter.

    The question of (Dynamics) comes up in asking ourselves (Has the attack or the threat ended?) I've seen time again many in these forums answer the question "when does one stop shooting?"..with the answer usually being "when the threat is no longer a threat."

    This presents a difficult decision for someone well trained in H2H.

    Sure; I could knock someone down, create distance etc... One could argue the threat is no longer a threat as perhaps I could now run away.
    Or could I?

    The BG I just put on his back might now produce a pistol from his pocket. Or he might have a buddy in crime. Now I have (2) threat to deal with.
    Again; the dynamics are many.

    It is a dynamic and it IS somewhat of a dilemma for those who are skilled in MA's and even those who may have minimal skills.

    The positive of solid H2H? I can stop my attack upon the BG at will, and maybe the BG goes to the hosp.

    With the gun, I know of no way to get the bullet back in the gun once the trigger is pulled.

    I sincerely hope and pray I NEVER have need to produce my gun other than drawing down on a paper target.
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    from the article: "Do you really think having a cell phone programmed with emergency numbers is going to help you? If the national average police response time is 11 minutes, how is that going to do you any good when you’re being sexually assaulted right now?"

    If I had a dollar for every time I read and heard, "I'll just dial 911, duh" when they were attacked, I'd be filthy rich. There is a complete (and probably willful) disconnect in playing out that actual scenario. I ask, "So, the rapist is going to stop tearing away at you so you can dig around in your purse for your cellphone, dial 911, talk to the operator, and wait for the cops to come?" I either get a look or a look like I'm a horrible person for even having such violent thoughts. "Well," one would say, "I won't reduce myself to violence like you and be like my attacker."


    I've known permitholders who decided to carry a gun UNtestED. "But I just bought it, it's awesome." Didn't even take it to the range and function test it, just loaded and holstered it. Others pocket carry so deep in tight pockets they have to force it down in there and have to dig around to get it back out, making it useless in most scenarios.

    And not everyone is a ninja or should be expected to be a ninja. Even the biggest, strongest, most physically capable guy shouldn't HAVE to solely rely on his hands for defense - he has every right to use the most effective means to defend himself. But don't be a one-trick pony.
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    As to the calling of 911

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    Not every fight is a gun fight. Knowing some basic H2H would be beneficial. If your first response to a threat is to reach for your gun you might want to get some training. Using your head is the best defense. Be alert, Be ready, Be Safe.

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