Walk in on a Burglary last night
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December 22nd, 2006 09:50 PM
Walk in on a Burglary last night
Me and my girlfriend walked in my house last night at midnight. This is earlier than I usually get home since I work nights but I was off because of the hoildays. While unlocking the front door I noticed something was strange because my german shephard wasn't barking. Once in the house I went to deactivate my alarm. While entering the code I noticed one of the sensors activated. At this time I drew my weapon and a surefire flashlight from my pocket and went to investigate. Shining the light down the main hall I noticed the back door was open. I grabbed my girlfriend and went outside to call the police on my cell phone. While outside my dog begin to bark. I shined my light in the direction of the barking and at a distance of 70-80 feet I saw a man in my back yard. He then proceeded to jump the fence into a neighbors yard. It took nearly 30 mintues for the police to respond to the scene. Once the officer arrived he proceeded to clear the house. He discovered that the entry and exit were made though a rear window which was 6 feet off the ground. I have a burglar bar security door on the outside of the back door that requires a key to open. I suspect the perp tried to leave the house though the back door as I entered. He left his black duffle bag inside by the window. Fortunately nothing was taken from the house and I have since removed all non-carried firearms from the house to a more secure location. This is the first time my girlfriend thanked me for carrying. In fact she asked to hold my BUG while waiting for the police and says she now want's to get her permit. Would any of you have engaged the perp inside or outside? What dog should I replace mine with? Should I worry about a recurrence of this incident? Atlanta seems to be in the midst of a crime wave right now. Sorry for the long post.
December 22nd, 2006 10:29 PM
If he was inside and trying to get out (turning of his back)--be a good witness, get a description...would not shoot BG in the back. If he decides he's going to leave by going through me--he would have made a poor tactical decision.
Where was the dog while all of this was happening? Did you get the dog for companionship? or for security? If it is for the former--keep the dog. If the latter--find out why he wasn't shredding the BG and replace accordingly.
Alarm--why wasn't the alarm going off or alerting the company to notify the PD?? If anything, the alarm should have been shrieking, scaring the hell out of him.
GF--hopefully she had some rudimentary training so as to not shoot you as you came out of the house or anyone else who happened to be in the area (not a threat). Use this experience as a teaching lesson for the GF...be sure she speaks up when other sheep (friends) start going "BAA" about guns.
Other guns--what makes the other location more secure than your house? You house was no more secure last week that is was last night. Mike's recommendation: Invest in a safe.
You did fine (grasshopper)...you reacted to a threat...exercised good judgement and didn't needlessly shoot (either BG or neighbors). Double check the alarm company and train the GF. Be sure to follow-up with the PD.
December 22nd, 2006 11:20 PM
Absolutely, house clearing is for a well-trained person. It's literally a mine field, irrespective of whether you know the house's twists/turns. You're going into danger, and the BG has the advantage of cover. Outside, for me, every time. Can't fault your actions, particularly since you had someone else's safety to protect.
Originally Posted by eb27
With an alarm and dog you still got hit ... worry? Sure. Which dog? Something a bit more astute about GG's vs BG's, with less-refined taste buds (Oreo cookies or bits of meat prolly turned him into putty.)
What dog should I replace mine with? Should I worry about a recurrence of this incident?
Glad everyone's okay. Keep safe.
December 23rd, 2006 01:04 AM
I wouldn't place much "fault" on the dog, coming both from experience owning German Shepherds and working with our K9 officers.
Originally Posted by eb27
In defense of your dog, I wouldn't think about replacing, but training. The dog's bonding with you and your family go a loooong way toward protectiveness. I would venture to say that if the dirtbag posed a physical direct threat to you, he/she would have defended fiercely. German Shepherds are among the most loyal and intelligent dogs anywhere (I'm sure someone is going to argue this point). Careful how you train the dog, however. When I was young, a couple went away for the weekend leaving their German Shepherd (a retired Marine Corp working police dog) in the house. 20 year old scumbag pries open a window and crawls in. Dog got hold of him, did major bite damage, the scumbag got away, went to the hospital, got sewed back up and sued... and won. Man's homeowners insurance paid the lawsuit, but part of the judgement was that the dog had to be put down (which broke the couple's heart). Man took him to the vet, the vet wouldn't do it but signed the court papers and put the man in touch with my dad who took the dog. Anyway, you want the dog to be protective toward you/your family to the end, but not as aggressively over property (not a matter of right/wrong, but simple economics due to liability).
As far as clearing the house, leave it to the police. Confronting the dirtbag, do it outside, not inside where you are at a tactical disadvantage every time. You handled the situation well.
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December 23rd, 2006 04:47 AM
I think you did exactly the right things. Shooting a fleeing perp would only get you in trouble. Clearing the house yourself puts you at a tactical disadvantage. The police are trained (and paid) to do this.
I don't think you should "replace" your dog. He is a friend, not a biological alarm system. At least I would hope so.
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December 23rd, 2006 06:46 AM
I don't see anything I'd of done differently. You and yours are safe and unharmed. That's the biggie right there. You really might want to invest in a better alarm system that covers all openings. If the the dog is kept in one area while you're out, motion alarm the rest as well.
As to clearing a house, I don't care if it took LE an hour to get there. If we're safe outside I'll stay there until the guys trained for it can do the job!
If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.
December 23rd, 2006 09:17 AM
Sounds to me like you did everything correctly given the circumstances. You noticed something was wrong, did an initial investigation, and broke off contact when you established that the bg posed no imminent threat.
I have to agree with Only Glock about your dog. German Shepherd dogs are great animals. You can train them to do just about anything. They are that intelligent. That said, the key word is train. You have to let the dog know what role you expect them to play in your life. Choose carefully as you will have to live with the consequences.
Get a safe!! That is the only way to protect your firearms adequetely. It's a modest investment for the piece of mind that comes with it.
Last but certainly not least, train the gf. If she is interested, take it as far as she'll let you. There is nothing better than having a partner that you can count on 24/7.
Last edited by actionshooter; December 23rd, 2006 at 09:37 AM.
December 23rd, 2006 11:37 AM
Throw A Smoke Bomb...
In the front door...and shoot whoever comes out the back door?...Not really!.....
Let the cops handle it...
I might have a short talk with the dog though...
Glad you're safe...
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December 23rd, 2006 12:12 PM
Each person will say what they think they would do but that might be different from what they'd actually do it\when it happened to them.
I’m a volunteer auxiliary police officer in the little city I live in.
If I had my cell and was able to call our PD it’d be maybe 4 or 5 min’s before someone showed up. I’d probably wait in that case.
If I didn’t have my cell and my wife were with me I’d probably send her to the neighbor’s to call and I might go in – or might not.
If I thought any of my family were inside I’d definitely go in and be in Combat Mode.
This situation is something I can’t really say unless it actually happened.
I hope I never have to post anything about this kind of situation.
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December 23rd, 2006 12:23 PM
Sounds like everything went well. I would not have enganged in any room clearing or perp finding, but after the 911 call I would have at least tried to articulate to the dispacter that the perp is fleeing the seen and they need to get their butts in gear!. then dont just stand in the middle of the lawn (not saying you did that) I would have gotten to a neighbors house or coverd area and waited for police.. the more noise the better, if the neighbors wake up, great! mabie they know of someone around the block they can call to help the police with finding the perp that may or may not be hiding in their back yard waiting for the police to leave.
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December 23rd, 2006 01:10 PM
sounds like you did good.
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December 23rd, 2006 02:34 PM
I think you did fine. I would not have cleared rooms or engaged the fleeing burglar. You had no one inside to protect so retreat and call LE is a good plan. Especially since the two people you needed to protect that night were you and your GF who was with you.
As noted dogs have to be trained.
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December 26th, 2006 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by eb27
First of all, glad you are okay.
To answer your questions:
1.)I would have said freeze. If he was running, I would have probably tried to covertly run after him a bit to get a good description, but not engage hand to hand, etc.
2.)Don't replace dog if he is your buddy. If he was supposed to protect you, he failed, but it sounds like your alarm did too.
3.)Yes I would worry about recurrence. BG now sees you have gun (possibly more and BGs like guns), flashlight, dog, girlfriend, and all that stuff inside b/c he was inside your house screwing around. BG may come back and be more prepared. Chances are that they/he/she won't, but they/he/she may.
It seems my crappy area (Columbus, OH) is also going through a crimewave. Although, it always seemed like this.
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December 26th, 2006 01:53 AM
Good job noting the alarm sensor, leaving the house and calling the cops.
Time to add bars to more windows and get a small barking dog to rev up the bigger dog.
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton.
December 26th, 2006 01:56 PM
This is the only thing I would have done differently. If I come in and see that a sensor has been tripped I'm heading back out immediately. Let the police do the investigating--that's what they get paid for! I might have whistled for the dog as I was backing out.
Originally Posted by eb27
As others have said, I would not get a new dog, I would get some training for the current dog. I also would invest in a good safe for the guns.
Glad things worked out okay in the end.
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