The "21 foot" Rule

The "21 foot" Rule

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    The "21 foot" Rule

    I've heard this mentioned a few times on the forum but never really knew what it was about.
    Last night on, "Justified", Raylan was in a standoff with a guy and talked about the "21 foot" rule.

    I got curious to see exactly what it was so I found this web site:

    21 foot rule or Tueller Drill

    It's a short but very interesting article.

    "In the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet."

    I understand better why LEO's don't fool around with BG's and a knife.
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    I watched that on my DVR last night. I laughed so hard when he fell in the hole....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    I watched that on my DVR last night. I laughed so hard when he fell in the hole....
    Me too!
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    the 21 foot rule has been around for awhile. But I did love it in Justified being mentioned in at least 3 episodes this season by the psycho brother of the Kroll family.

    Eric Roberts character in the previous episode toting a GP100 and touting all the glories of a revolver over semi-autos was great. Plus the scene where he told the guy he had three seconds to drop the gun or else. 1...2...3 Blammo! was awesome.

    The writers of Justified don't get everything right about guns. But it is obvious that they are appealing to the gun crowd with the lingo and some basic self defense concepts they bring up.
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    Side note, in the beginning where they show previously... Did they show things that were not broadcast in the last show? There were things I don't remember shown.
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    Knives are bad medicine. Even worse, the uneducated public would never believe that it is a formidable weapon against a gun. You're probably gonna need someone like Massad Ayoob on your defense team after the shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    I watched that on my DVR last night. I laughed so hard when he fell in the hole....
    Right. I meant last episode, not last night.


    CWOUSCG...which part are you referring to? Sometimes that show is hard to follow because all the Rednecks begin to look alike. My apologies to any Rednecks that might be reading this.
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    Love that show, but if a newb like me is aware of the 21 ft. rule, I was surprised Raylan wasn't aware.
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    We were taught this during our 40 hour MFT years ago and again in my CCL class. It happens very quickly.

    In my CCL class it was demostrated that it is nigh impossible to draw from an ankle rig and put a controlled shot on the dirtbag. Out of ten attempts (and these were all young, experienced, current police officers) one shot was made on the approaching dirtbag and the officer was on his back when that occured. The other nine attempts resulted in the officer not even getting the weapon out of the holster or not being able to fire in time.

    Think about that the next time you strap on that ankle rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niks View Post
    Love that show, but if a newb like me is aware of the 21 ft. rule, I was surprised Raylan wasn't aware.
    Oh, he knew. He was then one talking about it to the, now dead, BG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Right. I meant last episode, not last night.


    CWOUSCG...which part are you referring to? Sometimes that show is hard to follow because all the Rednecks begin to look alike. My apologies to any Rednecks that might be reading this.
    I don't remember Eric Roberts getting run down! Couple of other little things too, must have fell asleep or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    Side note, in the beginning where they show previously... Did they show things that were not broadcast in the last show? There were things I don't remember shown.
    Sometimes it is hard to follow. Some opening clips are from three and four episodes previously. It's hard to keep track of story lines and like J.L. commented, who is who.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Oh, he knew. He was then one talking about it to the, now dead, BG.
    Watch it again JL, Raylan said he hadnt heard of it..Which surprised me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    I don't remember Eric Roberts getting run down! Couple of other little things too, must have fell asleep or something.
    Was he the new cop that Raylan was with in the last couple of episodes? Crusty guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I've heard this mentioned a few times on the forum but never really knew what it was about.
    Last night on, "Justified", Raylan was in a standoff with a guy and talked about the "21 foot" rule.

    I got curious to see exactly what it was so I found this web site:

    21 foot rule or Tueller Drill

    It's a short but very interesting article.

    "In the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet."

    I understand better why LEO's don't fool around with BG's and a knife.
    Key part of that is "recognize" or being unprepared. In this case Raylan had his hand on his gun and had it out when Crow fell in the hole.
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