Experiences using deadly force on an attacking dog?

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    Experiences using deadly force on an attacking dog?

    I've noticed a lot of threads recently discussing defending yourself against a dog while out running/walking. Has anyone here had any experiences where they had to put down a neighborhood dog because it attacked them or was charging them? What happened afterwards? What were your experiences with the owner of that animal? How about the police? Were any charges filed?

    The reason I ask is because out of all the situations that present themselves on this forum I find this the most likely to happen to me. I like to run in my neighborhood, and even though we have a leash law, people still let their animals roam free. I have been chased by dogs before, but luckily they have all been ankle biters and I wasn't worried about it. However, if I had a dog of considerable size chasing me down I wouldn't risk serious injury over a dog's life.

    You always hear about how when you do have to use deadly force there is almost always residual effects like retaliation in some form or fashion or lawsuits. So, does anyone have any experiences with this? BTW, I normally only carry my cell on me while I run. I have yet to carry while I run nor do I have a pistol that would be appropriate to do so (I still need to get a sub-compact). :)

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    I shot lots of dogs when I lived in the desert near El Paso. Sometimes the owner was pissed, some times the aggressive dogs just disappeared. I lived in the county so there was no police involvement.

    We have horses, my daughter was young maybe 5-6 at the time aggressive dogs running in groups were shot. Riding bicycle I would try to warn the owner when said dog charged into the street after me and mine.

    If I am on my property or the public street when menaced by a dog it is getting shot. Sue me? I think not, I think I would legally go after the owner of an aggressive dog.
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    You always hear about how when you do have to use deadly force there is almost always residual effects like retaliation in some form or fashion or lawsuits. So, does anyone have any experiences with this? BTW, I normally only carry my cell on me while I run. I have yet to carry while I run nor do I have a pistol that would be appropriate to do so (I still need to get a sub-compact). :)
    You have to know that what may be seen as acceptable or unacceptable depends entirely on the laws of your area and that the responses that you will get here comes from all over the country. Why flies as the norm in say...Arizona, would get one thrown in jail in some states.

    An acceptable answer to a Texan may be completely unacceptable to someone living in New Jersey.

    The best thing you can do is to study case law in Florida to see how things are dealt with. Even in Florida, big city life is quite different than rural life.

    I've dealt with dogs on both sides of the fence. On one side as a citizen doing what needed to be done. On the other side as an Officer that was doing the report. One thing I can state for a fact...its never easy or simple when the deed has been done, even if it is perfectly justified. When people are involved, things are going to be ugly.
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    If you just follow CA law its very simple. If an aggressive dog is on my property but is not actively attacking, harassing, or worrying my livestock I must warn the owners of their dogs behavior ONE time. after that its fair game to shoot on sight. If I catch it in the act it gets no other chance.
    Its been my experience that people will get defensive of Fido, and say all kinds of things. But once the deed is done They don't really want to talk to you any more! They will talk about you to the neighbors, they will talk about you at the grocery store, their kids will talk about you on the school buss, etc.... But once they know what you will do they don't want to talk to you. I have had one person file a lawsuit, But when their lawyer got done talking to the Brand Inspector it was quickly dropped.

    If I am in a public place and attacked by a dog , even in the dogs own front yard, the owner is fully responsible! If I shot a dog to stop an imminent attack their would have to be much more to it for charges to be filed against me. In CA dogs have to be under control of the owner at all times. DR
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    Up until maybe a year ago I only had trouble once with a dog. Right around when I came up here. My good buddy lived with his uncle behind some Redneck loggers place. I rode a motorcycle then. If I'd had a pistol back then I'd shot the dog the second time he came at me. He was a big GSD.

    The Redneck loggers are still there whereas my friend's house got bulldozed a long time ago.
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    Hey Patterson: If this is truly a big problem in your comings and goings, do yourself a big, big favor and purchase a can of bear spray. It will bring a bear to its knees so a dog is incidental. It shoots out at 30 ft and covers an area that will hit a rampaging dog, unlike a firearm that could miss and go "heavens know where" as you scramble for position. In many states there are limits on sizes of self-defense spray--usually end up with those little lipstick containers. In personal conversations with neighbor, who is an investigator in the prosecutor's office, if you are attacked and you use this "illegal" size--it is better than having used a firearm--absolutely makes sense, if this is a big problem necessitating this thread. Just me sayin--but I would rather risk the wrath of the use of unauthorized spray and stop a dog than discharging my firearm, maybe killing the dog, and maybe injuring someone else nearby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    I shot lots of dogs when I lived in the desert near El Paso. Sometimes the owner was pissed, some times the aggressive dogs just disappeared. I lived in the county so there was no police involvement.

    We have horses, my daughter was young maybe 5-6 at the time aggressive dogs running in groups were shot. Riding bicycle I would try to warn the owner when said dog charged into the street after me and mine.

    If I am on my property or the public street when menaced by a dog it is getting shot. Sue me? I think not, I think I would legally go after the owner of an aggressive dog.
    Growing up on a working farm with livestock, you will always run into aggressive dogs like Bob mentioned. Some in our neck of woods would either be a roaming pet or an out right feral critter or stray. When I worked as a patrolman for some local sheriff's offices we would encounter them regularly when responding to calls. On a few occasions we actually had to dispatch the animal when the owner refused to call the animal off or take control of it. In instances like that we charged the owner criminally as the dog was considered weapon being used in an aggravated assault.

    Interestingly, of the shootings we had involving dogs several involved larger breeds due to the rural environment. One would be surprised at how tough a dog can be, as a few of them actual took multiple rounds to put down. After being involved in some of these I NEVER under estimate the destructive capabilities of a canine.
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    There was a time in NY when I was a real green rookie, and the Bronx was burning... It looked like something between a moonscape and Berlin after the war. One result was large packs of feral dogs. Mostly sick and starving the packs roamed mostly at night, and was a real danger to other dogs, other pets, and children. I never participated in these dog shoots but guys did use their hunting guns, and other unauthorized weapons to reduce the population. It was never official and only a few guys too part.

    I have been bitten by a dog. A chiuauhua. It belonged to a local bruha. I have been attacked by a big bad pit mix during a foot chace with a robber. I had to put it down. I once put down a dog that had been hit by a car and was in pain and damaged beyond repair.
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    My dad's mini schnauzer was attacked by a resident in their little suburb while they were out walking. Both my dad and the dog were bitten. My dad was not carrying at the time or he would have shot the dog if the chance offered itself. He said it happened so fast. He did have a knife and was going to stab the dog but the owner intervened in time. He's hired a lawyer, the cops and animal control were called. The dog was impounded for 10 days but was given back. My dad has not seen it since so maybe the owner finally has it under control. It darted out of the garage when my dad was three houses down talking to a friend he has. I have since told him to get some bear spray and a big stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    There was a time in NY when I was a real green rookie, and the Bronx was burning... It looked like something between a moonscape and Berlin after the war. One result was large packs of feral dogs. Mostly sick and starving the packs roamed mostly at night, and was a real danger to other dogs, other pets, and children. I never participated in these dog shoots but guys did use their hunting guns, and other unauthorized weapons to reduce the population. It was never official and only a few guys too part.
    We had the same kind of trouble with dogs all the time in Ft Worth. A 45 or a 357 works good, but the 45 is not as loud.
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    I carry a Kel-Tec P3AT and pepper spray when I run.

    Never had to shoot a dog because the pepper spray has deterred them every time.
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    I understand that putting a dog down is pretty tough. Once they zone in on someone pain kind of gets frozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 old 0311 View Post
    I understand that putting a dog down is pretty tough. Once they zone in on someone pain kind of gets frozen.
    The toughest ones I saw were pitbulls, saw one take 3 357's to put him down.
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    Thank you for replying, everyone! I like the idea of pepper spray...I will do some research on our laws here in FL about restrictions on pepper spray bottle sizes and such.

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    Bear Spray looks like a water bottle, and it will travel about 30 feet. Very potent stuff too.
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