Neighborhood got turned into a day at the Range

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    Neighborhood got turned into a day at the Range

    Hi All,

    This happened 2 days ago and I am still processing this don't know if I did the right thing and still following up with neighbors, but my neighborhood is out of city limits in the country. I live in a subdivision or the burbs as most people call it. It is not uncommon to hear a rifle shot or two or three in the distance off the country road we live on, every home has at least 2 acres of land and the row of houses across from me has a huge pasture behind them.

    Well what happened was it was a beautiful day out I was in the yard working on my apple trees, families and children out at play and walking the neighborhood when a few shots rang out, sounded like a 22, but close. My wife shot me the look as if all was not okay, of course it didn't phase me, so I told her to go back to work; we live in the country. Then all hell broke loose, it sounded like I was back in Baghdad, AR's cutting loose and sporadic shotgun and pistol fire with the sounds of ricochet in the air. My wife is freaking out, neighbors are running grabbing their kids, and then I spot them across the street 50 yards behind the houses in the field across the fence which separates the field from the houses.

    It was 3 guys running a million dollar minute, as we use to say in the military. I am pro-gun as it gets, but I was upset probably more at the fact the neighbors were freaked out; I told the wife to get in the house.

    I confronted them and told them to cease fire, which they did. They were in their late 20's to early 30's and were visiting family from what they told me, after I calmed down, from a house off the main road .

    I began to explain the law in our county about not being able to discharge a firearm within 300yards of a neighborhood, much less 50 yards and not knowing what was beyond their target, just shooting trees and ground without a burn, and that what they were doing to the cause of the RTBA. Of course they are looking at me like I am the grinch that stole Christmas and they have the right to Under the 2nd Amend, yada yada...

    I'm trying to explain, hey I am with you but do it smart, so they walk back to their house, and by the time I got to my yard the neighborhood is full of Sheriff Deputies scrambling to find these guys. Groups of neighbors are talking about why guns are dangerous and that we don't need them in the neighborhood.

    I am sickened by this, so me, and a few of my pro-gun neighbors are trying to defuse this, and talk with our neighbors telling them this is out of the norm and this isn't tolerated by the pro-gun movement and these guys are knuckleheads.

    I get back in the house and my wife is screaming at me that I should have let the police handle this, but I don't know if it is the military bearing ingrained in me that pushed me to do something or just the pro-gun guy I am. But as I look at this I don't know if I did the right thing? also I was not carrying my EDC since I was knee deep in gardening a lot of things to think about, if this would have gone South.
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    Hello from a fellow Desert Storm Vet!

    This is an all to familiar scene to me, as I use to get calls like this when on patrol. Combined with the current attacks on the 2nd Amendment confrontations under these circumstances could potentially get "hairy". Especially since you were not carrying it could have gotten nasty, but to be honest a pistol at a rifle fight is not going to make any difference. While I would never begrudge one neighbor from talking things over civily with another I think I would have let patrol units handle it. The other neighbors that don't support the 2nd Amendment did NOT make this any better, but you could not have known that going into this. Now that you know the diverse opinions that exist in your slice of America, I would keep a watchful eye out and a cell phone with you.
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    The way I read it, you approached the guys, but someone else phoned the deputies?
    I'm not sure what you could have done differently. I know I shudder everytime my neighbor (a local cop btw) practices out behind his house with his boys. You've got semis unloading magazines and tannerite going off and ricochets (no burm also, just shoots at a piece of cardboard in his field) and I can only hope it doesn't tick someone else off to the point where I can't go out back and plink 20-30 rounds once in a while. His sessions last a couple hours. I don't say anything to him because it seems hypocritical to me. As long as the bullets are being shot towards a building I let others worry about whether they are being safe or not. Probably not the best, but I'm not the safety police where it doesn't concern me directly.

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    I like how you handled it. To me, that is how things are done in a neighborhood. And if they were not residents there, they obviously had more T flowing while shooting than brain cells.
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    I live in a new development that is just outside the town (unincorporated) but there are still a few family farms and rural property. On occasion I have heard shotguns going off. As long as its not in the development I don't care.

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    I am still getting the stink eye from the wife but I didnt call the cops , I thought I could talk with them and the way the bullets were flying I knew it had to be stopped now . I may have been naive in my thinking but i grew up in a time where if you see something wrong you do something and I was hoping these guys just got caught up in the moment and would listen to reason. Which they did but just the attitude was what got me , I think when the deputies got ahold of them they were straight . But we fight so hard in the county to keep stupid ordinances from violating our rights this makes it hard , the last time we went toe to toe with the county they tried banning BB guns from being shot in your yards ! they would have had a field day with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    Hello from a fellow Desert Storm Vet!
    Salute to you Airborne !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennydale View Post
    I live in a new development that is just outside the town (unincorporated) but there are still a few family farms and rural property. On occasion I have heard shotguns going off. As long as its not in the development I don't care.

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    Pretty much the same here but I could also tolerate the occasional shot in the neighbor hood to dispatch a snake of rabid animal in a controlled way , but this was just crazy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvMyPX4 View Post
    I like how you handled it. To me, that is how things are done in a neighborhood. And if they were not residents there, they obviously had more T flowing while shooting than brain cells.
    Best way to teach, tell them what they are doing wrong, tell them why it is wrong, and tell them how they can do it right.
    Yea those were my thoughts at the time.
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    I can only give one account from a farm. When the flat land people come to the country don't bring your city ideas. Cows make smells Rooster crow and farmers shoot coyotes. Now I understand your point you are not country but a 2 acre subdivision. I got the don't shoot thing if it upsets you.

    I had a family move it down the way and put up enough lights a major league team could play ball all night long. Us in the country understand dark it is the time to sleep and when it is light we go to work. Sometimes that work starts at 6:00AM and other times it starts a little later when the sun comes up. We don't like your kids throwing rocks and sticks at our cows and don't want you feeding human food to the wild life. Our driveway coming from the highway is not where you dispose of your dirty diapers and you don't jump my fence and urinate because you don't see anybody and think it is ok. How about I jump your fence and urinate in your backyard? The lights are gone now and the house is vacant and my chikcens still crow and cackle.

    Having said all of that you confronting them like a man and making your area safe is a very good thing and I send my thanks for reinforcing what men are suppose to do not call the Sheriff but talk it out like men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manolito View Post
    I can only give one account from a farm. When the flat land people come to the country don't bring your city ideas. Cows make smells Rooster crow and farmers shoot coyotes. Now I understand your point you are not country but a 2 acre subdivision. I got the don't shoot thing if it upsets you.

    I had a family move it down the way and put up enough lights a major league team could play ball all night long. Us in the country understand dark it is the time to sleep and when it is light we go to work. Sometimes that work starts at 6:00AM and other times it starts a little later when the sun comes up. We don't like your kids throwing rocks and sticks at our cows and don't want you feeding human food to the wild life. Our driveway coming from the highway is not where you dispose of your dirty diapers and you don't jump my fence and urinate because you don't see anybody and think it is ok. How about I jump your fence and urinate in your backyard? The lights are gone now and the house is vacant and my chikcens still crow and cackle.

    Having said all of that you confronting them like a man and making your area safe is a very good thing and I send my thanks for reinforcing what men are suppose to do not call the Sheriff but talk it out like men.
    Hi Manolito
    I understand what your saying which is why i am torn but I grew up in East Texas in the sticks shooting im my yard and Coyote hunting ! I am stuck here in the country burb in a neighbor hood and normally wouldnt blink an eye at a gun shoot in the neighbor hood other than to make sure a neighbor doesnt need assistance , but these guys were practically in the back yards of my neighbors cutting loose and ricochets flying ! I had to do something, what I was seeing was unsafe and felt a responsibility to do something.
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    And trust me I am a guy who keeps to myself , lends a helping hand when needed , Served my Country in War , and a Strong believer in all forms of carry ,shooting and hunting , and a Strong supporter of the 2nd Amend.
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    If they would have had a proper berm set up, I would have gladly asked if I could join in. But shooting on level ground with no backstop is just dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TelumPisces View Post
    If they would have had a proper berm set up, I would have gladly asked if I could join in. But shooting on level ground with no backstop is just dumb.
    I agree, but is there a nationwide standard for what is an acceptable shooting site? Burm height, tree lined, distance from houses, etc?

    I used to think level ground or trees was safe and cool, until I learned how far a bullet can travel
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