Orange tips on toy guns....

Orange tips on toy guns....

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    Orange tips on toy guns....

    Do you think its a good idea, or a silly idea. It seems that maybe we have put our LE officers and maybe ourselves in a bit of a pickle. What do you do if someone walks up and pulls a gun on you with an orange tips. Remember, crime for the most part is always one step in front of the good guys....

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    Someone pulls any threat one me is going to be seeing steel very fast .. Consider how easy it is remove or add color to a gun .... And even just a pellet gun they can still kill or injure
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    Just goes to show that criminals sometimes aren't as dumb as we would like to think. Unfortunately, some are very good at what they do.
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    My ridiculously unabashed loudmouthed opinion is that if you are stupid enough to point ANYTHING that even looks like a G-U-N at someone, least of all a police officer, you just forfeited your right to breath. Orange tip/watergun/finger, whatever.

    Hey, the schools have the "zero tolerance" Bull-capitol-S-with-a-hit mentality, why shouldn't everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    My ridiculously unabashed loudmouthed opinion is that if you are stupid enough to point ANYTHING that even looks like a G-U-N at someone, least of all a police officer, you just forfeited your right to breath. Orange tip/watergun/finger, whatever.

    Hey, the schools have the "zero tolerance" Bull-capitol-S-with-a-hit mentality, why shouldn't everyone else.
    I agree with you, but the officers are trained if they see an orange tip, to pause. This could be a real issue for them and maybe us as well....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Do you think its a good idea, or a silly idea.
    not good or silly
    just more plain stupid crap from the plain stupid antis'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Do you think its a good idea, or a silly idea. It seems that maybe we have put our LE officers and maybe ourselves in a bit of a pickle. What do you do if someone walks up and pulls a gun on you with an orange tips. Remember, crime for the most part is always one step in front of the good guys....
    What I do in a robbery/intimidation situation in which the manifest reality is deadly dire circumstance? Defend against that apparent threat, treating it like it's being presented to me.

    What I do when seeing a "gun" (orange tip or no) flailed around, possibly even pointed or even deliberately aimed over yonder, I try really hard to judge the totality of circumstances. Once upon a time, not too many decades ago, we had "playing cowboys & indians" in the yard. Many kids had toy/fake revolvers, some had Daisy BB guns. Up to about ~25yrs ago, I saw kids playing in places away from public spots (ie, in back yards, fields) in such ways, and there was pointing of guns going on ... none of which represented a legitimate, reasonable threat. Big difference to a deliberate robbery/intimidation type situation.

    I'm all for people being able to distinguish between such things.

    But I can't fault the average person or LE for being incapable of quickly weeding out the fake robberies from the real ones, fake "tipped" guns or no.
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    let's face it folks, what was the first thing that came to your mind when you first heard about mandatory colored tips on toy guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukla View Post
    let's face it folks, what was the first thing that came to your mind when you first heard about mandatory colored tips on toy guns?
    I thought it'd be a boon for criminals, at least the portion that believed it could allow skimming under the radar while avoiding outright "gun" charges in robberies.

    If course, it's still a robbery. You'd have to be an outright dolt to not have a real weapon, if upping the ante to robbery or worse. That, or dirt poor.
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    I think if the crimminals ( gang members ) are running this scam with painted tips of guns , i say police should carry some sandpaper to use after the shoot .

    It is about the same level , they (bg) can paint it on then they (leo's) can remove it.
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    If it's a child with an orange tip....maybe I pause.

    An adult with an orange tip, or even a teenager will probably not get that courtesy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    If it's a child with an orange tip....maybe I pause.

    An adult with an orange tip, or even a teenager will probably not get that courtesy.
    My sentiments exactly !
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    well, first and foremost i feel sorry for any cops about to be put into that situation... it stinks like a goats crotch.

    second, i find it hilarious some darned fool law passed by trembling-in-fear fools has backfired and actually created a riskier situation for everyone involved. a teenager with a real toy gets killed, a cop thinking a banger with a fake gun will likely be killed.

    huh. our famous forum quote "play stupid games win stupid prizes" ...? stupid game = passing moroninc pointless laws - - stupid prize = dead GG's, dead Innocent's, living and maybe even on-the-run BG's.

    brilliant.
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    I think it can cause more problems than it solves. Criminals can paint their real guns' tips orange, and they can also remove fake guns orange tips to use them in crimes (robbing store with fake gun).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    My ridiculously unabashed loudmouthed opinion is that if you are stupid enough to point ANYTHING that even looks like a G-U-N at someone, least of all a police officer, you just forfeited your right to breath. Orange tip/watergun/finger, whatever.

    Hey, the schools have the "zero tolerance" Bull-capitol-S-with-a-hit mentality, why shouldn't everyone else.
    +1(shot)! I agree 100% - if someone points anything that looks like a gun at an LEO, they are to blame for the consequences of their actions.

    This is another example of the law of unintended consequences and why orange tips on toy guns are ridiculous. Children should be taught to NEVER point a gun at something or someone they don't intend to destroy. AND if they do, they are to blame for the consequences of their actions.
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