The Truth About the CA Killing Spree

The Truth About the CA Killing Spree

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    The Truth About the CA Killing Spree

    The Truth About the CA Killing Spree - USA Carry

    "Well, here’s the real truth:

    First, I certainly don’t blame the victim’s father for what he said. I can’t imagine anything worse in life than losing a child and you would obviously be angry and blame whatever and whomever you could for your loss.

    But what very few media reports included is that the killer not only used a gun, but his shooting spree actually started out as a knife spree. The first three victims were stabbed to death in the killer’s apartment. From what I’ve seen, one news outlet that got it right is a newspaper out of Australia that reported the killings as a “violent knife and gun rampage.”


    This an excellent opinion piece by Jason Hanson. He answered a question that I had after reading the following comment to one of the news articles:

    "A hammer and a knife have other non violent uses; a gun has one use and that is to kill. To me that is the difference between a hammer and a gun."

    How do you respond to a comment like that? Jason answered my question so eloquently:

    "But you and I are smart enough to know that a gun or a knife is just a tool that can be used for good or evil. However, if someone is coming after you with a gun or a knife you want to be armed to stop the threat and use your gun for the lifesaving and defensive purposes for which it was created.

    The last thing you want to be is an unprepared victim who thinks “it will never happen to me” and who didn’t have some type of weapon to defend themselves. So, while the media wants to use this as another excuse to ban guns, you and I should look at it as another reason to be armed because you’ll certainly want your Glock 19 (or whatever gun you prefer) with you when a madman is coming at you with a gun or a knife."


    The part I underlined above explains why I posted this in the 'Carry & Defensive Scenarios' forum.

    Thanks, Jason, for sharing the truth. Perhaps when Richard Martinez has had time to mourn his son and truly reflect on the massacre, he'll come to realize that his rhetoric could possible end up killing more people than Elliot Rodger did.

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    p.s. I HATE when the media refers to these events as 'killing sprees'. I associate the word spree with shopping and having a fun time, not the murder of innocent people. One definition of 'spree' is "a spell or sustained period of unrestrained activity of a particular kind.". Although the definition technically can cover a sustained period of unrestricted killing, it just seems to trivialize the horrific event.
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    Well, like so many Americans these days the Father cannot accept any personal responsibility for the actions of his obviously very mentally disturbed psychopathic kid who should have probably been relegated to a room with padded wallpaper in The Lollipop Factory years earlier.

    The Mother was so concerned over his completely erratic behavior that she called to report him to the authorities and a Sheriff did pay the twerp psycho a visit and the kid BSed his way through the interview by faking normalcy. Whatever "normal" IS these days.

    There had to be so many indicators AT HOME that this individual was very sick in the head for a very long time.

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    QKShooter, the person making all the statements is the father of one of the victim's.
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    I found the original article which brought up the misdirection that knives and cars have other uses than killing people, whereas guns do not.

    Christopher Michael-Martinez’s Father Gets It Right about Guns : The New Yorker

    Why not ban knives or cars, which can be instruments of death, too? Because these things were designed to help people do things other than kill people.
    This is just one of the lies or inaccuracies in the article. Among the other ridiculous statements:

    Christopher died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the N.R.A. That’s true.
    [E]very other modern country has suffered from the same kinds of killings, from the same kinds of sick kids, and every other country has changed its laws to stop them from happening again, and in every other country it hasn’t happened again.
    The truth about the Isla Vista massacre is that Elliot Rodger chose to murder that day. And just as we need guns to stand strong against tyrannny, we need gus to defend ourselves from those who seek to harm us.
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    Every other country? Sorry, modern country?

    What about Oz? After all the sheep smelted their guns, one of their wackos got some matches and torched a hostel full of travelers. Killed 14.

    Or China, where the nuts slash and stab kids going to school.

    Pffft!

    Lies to fit the agenda.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    QKShooter, the person making all the statements is the father of one of the victim's.
    Ben..........Thanks for the clarification. I just heard part of the anti-gun rant on the news and hit the mute button. I assumed it was the Father of the sicko spoiled pathetic little monster.
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    The shooter was a 'Hollywood brat' on drugs, with a liberal father, and a hollywood shrink. But it was the gun and ginzu knife, that pushed the kid over the edge.
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    Well, here he was in college and never even kissed a female.

    Well, that's a great reason to kill as many innocent human beings as you can and then die in your twenties.

    Hey, guess what punk. You're in California and you're rich...make one phone call to an escort service!

    Kiss All Night!

    Problem SOLVED and nobody dies!

    What a skewed twisted up screwball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Every other country? Sorry, modern country?

    What about Oz? After all the sheep smelted their guns, one of their wackos got some matches and torched a hostel full of travelers. Killed 14.

    Or China, where the nuts slash and stab kids going to school.

    Pffft!

    Lies to fit the agenda.
    I was in Melbourne a few weeks ago and this story was on the front page - Man killed 5 people (family) with a hammer in 2009 and was being tried now. Man accused of hammer killing of Chinese-Australian family - Latest - New Straits Times

    Then there's China. Not only 29 people killed recently with knives, but another incident a week ago where people ran into crowds with SUVs and then tossed bombs out of the vehicles. China launches terrorism crackdown after Xinjiang region attack - CNN.com

    Crazy, sick and evil people do crazy, sick and evil things. Those people will find whatever tools are available to achieve their horrendous goals - to attack the weak and/or unsuspecting. They're not like everyone else. You can either believe that and realize that the best person to protect you is you. Or, you can live in a fantasy world, seem surprised when bad things happen, and then blame anything and everything else to maintain that level of fantasy.

    And just as important, criminals don't obey laws by definition. But, it's much easier to call something a "shooting rampage" than to acknowledge that it was a premeditated mass killing performed with multiple weapons by a single deranged person. A very inconvenient truth for sure.

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    Well if it was possible to do away with all guns which is not possible. I'd be carrying a knife. Then the liberials would start on knives and so on and on just like they have done in England. So I say no to my rights.
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    A very well known book says "The heart of man is evil continually". Unless you find a way to change that, you will always have these problems. I for one, prefer to have the right to meet evil with lead.
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    The worst loss of life at a US school was a bombing not a shooting.
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    "If someone gets into your house which would you rather have, a handgun or a phone? You can call the police if you want, and they’ll get there; and they’ll take a picture of your dead body."

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    Perhaps when Richard Martinez has had time to mourn his son and truly reflect on the massacre, he'll come to realize that his rhetoric could possible end up killing more people than Elliot Rodger did
    Monkeys may also fly out of my... You get the point.

    Reasoning with emotion, or people who hold philosophies based on emotion or false premises about the human condition is a fools errand. I'll leave it to other people to engage them emotionally, because I can't do it. I get frustrated, and frustration leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, and that way lies the Dark Side. Ignoring them (and voting and donating to the NRA) is about the best policy for me.
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    The antis' hatred of... firearms/guns seems disingenuous to me.
    When they bring up the 'inherit-evil' of these 'murderous inventions' (as compared to knives, clubs, etc.)...ask them if they feel the same about the guns in the hands of our LE & military. If they grant that firearms serve a positive role in certain situations... you've got them.
    Obviously, guns can save lives as easily as they can take them. It all depends on the character of the owner/user.

    Now of course, people are anti-gun for different reasons.
    Some are merely reacting out of emotion and ignorance.
    But others are passionately evangelizing for their religion...a religion whose adherents worship, serve and promote an 'almighty' government.
    This second type is beyond the reach of facts, logic and rational debate.
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    I always marvel that the media seldom connects the dots that these types of killings almost always occur in places that are disarmed like schools, California (in general), military bases, federal facilities, airports, etc. How many of the victims might still be alive if they were permitted to carry to defend themselves? I for one would just like a fighting chance not to be slaughtered at the whim of some whacko.
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