Scenario: Disgruntled Employee

Scenario: Disgruntled Employee

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    Scenario: Disgruntled Employee

    I have been racking my brain for potential scenarious I might get caught up in.

    "Disgruntled Employee"

    You work X Shift and have showed up and heard the news that Joe Schmoo was fired for being late again and that he stormed off. The Security your business location has is non-existent.

    You go about your normal shift duties and here a faint clap or thump, You are not really sure what it is and some of your office mates also comment on the noise. A minute or two go by and you dismiss the sound as being liekly the even of someone dropping something.

    The sound is repeated this time you know exactly what it is. The report from a shotgun followed by the pump action rechambering it.

    Fight or flight mode time. You do not know where the BG is nor do you know if he has any buddies along for the ride. What do you do? You are in a room divided up into cubicles making for many sharp corners. You instruct one of your office mates to call 911. What next?

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    I would usher my fellow employees to a location in the office that gives me a decent firing lane that will present the BG before he can get a decent bead on me and my fellow empoyees. I would under no circumstances go and seek him or them out. I would wait for 911 to respond and I hope they would do it rather quickly.

    The next question is what if your employer has a no firearms on premise rule? At what point to present your firearm? I would personally wait till the very last second before I drew my weapon.

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    Since its such a team effort at my work i would leave them suckers on there own

    But seriously i work by myself so its hard to say what i would do if i was in the building and something happened... Since Carrying a Firearm at work is a automatic Termination offence i guess i dont have to worry about it either ... Sorry to sound so bleak but thatss the way it is

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    Bud, you are being honest and tha tis all I can ask for.

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    Not to hijack your thread but what you described happened to a friend of mine. The building was small with a few offices on either side of a hallway. An ex-employee ticked at something walked down the hall shooting at people. No way out! My friend who just began working at the place hid behind a desk and was shot in the leggs and did lose a leg because of it. I can only imagine the terror. This happened about 1969.
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    See this is a viable scenario and no FortyFive you did not hijack the thread you added validity to it and for that Thank You.

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    Likely Possible Scenario but not enough specific information for a judgment call on my part AKA room size -- # of windows -- exits (if any) -- First Floor/fourth floor -- etc.
    This sort of thing will increase as the "Road Rage" phenomenon of "Pent Up" internal anger spills over into the workplace.
    Be a nice person & treat all of your coworkers politely, fairly & with respect ~ especially if you are forced to be unarmed in your workplace.
    Sometimes you will be "passed over" if you are the only decent bloke in the joint.
    Not much in the way of reassurance but worthwhile advice.
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    I personally know someone who had this happen to them. He was a Verizon employee, in a work place that prohibited everything.

    I don't know precisely what he did, but he was completely unarmed as a former employee bearing a lever action rifle of unknown make and caliber shot and killed two of his former supervisors.

    He's a skinny guy, doesn't care for guns, and was otherwise unarmed. He hunkered down in a cubicle underneath a desk with a chair pulled in front of him for maximum concealment.

    He was about 6 feet from the nutjob when the fourth shot was fired. The nutjob apparently fired 5 times, killing the two aforementioned supervisors.

    The nutjob was a piss poor marksman to miss with a rifle at that range, and odds are good those were FMJ rounds. I'd bet you a dollar it was grandpa's old .30-30. Imagine the stray shots racing through that office space.

    The sixth round the shooter turned on himself.

    My acquaintance quit that job quickly thereafter.

    This scenario is quite plausible.

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    The simple answer for my workplace would be to pull the fire alarm and yell for people to follow me. I am right next to the exit. If a shooter was coming in they would be at the other end of my area. My area is in the middle of the building, but the adjacent space is vacant. So a good avenue of escape with little exposure to a shooter.

    There of course are many permutations of what could happen next, but I am not allowed firearms inside the building, so I would have to get to my vehicle to be able to return fire. I would tell anyone who came out with me to hug the side of the building and get across the street to the police sub-station. With two exceptions. My boss and my friend. We would get our guns out of our vehicles and try to get everyone away from the building as quickly as possible and cover from outside as necessary. Since the police are literally across the street I wouldn't go in, because when the police arrive that would cause some confusion that could get a good guy wounded or killed. So just manage the people outside and give the police any assistance they need such as layout etc.

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    Pulling the fire alarm would be a great idea.
    Any created distraction that would to get folks "on guard" & moving & running around - rather than sitting like ducks in a pond would (I Hope ) have a better outcome. Good thinkin' dude.
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    I also think Scott has the best idea.
    I AM security in a major hotel-casino in Las Vegas and they disarmed us several years ago and now have a no weapons policy. My CCW has to stay in my car which is a 5 minute walk from most anywhere in the building. The disgruntled employee has happened in casinos before and we are talking a target rich environment in a casino.
    The policy of disarming us is ABSURD in the extreme, however I have been known to carry anyway (the most they could do is fire me) it is in all reality rare however that I do carry it at work. So my answer is RUN and get as many people to run as you can.
    Pulling the fire alarm is a good idea, but this scenario is my worst nightmare as you can well imagine.
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    I work at home, so not much chance unless I start shooting myself. :) I moonlight a gun shop and disgruntled employees are far less of a concern than some of the folks who come in.

    In a couple years of doing the counter on and off, I'm intimately acquainted with how to reach, access, and brandish any firearm on my person.

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    Depending on where the BG IS...

    Is it possible that pulling the fire alarm will just have people head for the exit(s) where the BG can have more unsuspecting targets at one location. (most would assume there was a fire and not worry about cover or a "stealthy" way out of the building) Wouldn't it take longer to go through the building locating people to shoot?

    If the fire alarm sounded everyone would head for the exit... if shots were heard I think everyone would try to move away from the location of the shots...

    At first I thought the fire alarm was a great idea (automatically summons help too!) but I am not really sure after thinking about it.

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    Go next door (if there is one, and pull theirs. :) ) - or break the front window to get their alarm to go off, or whatever.

    You can replace property later.

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    No next door for us. The part of the building we don't occupy is vacant.

    My building is a one level divided into four areas. If I could hear shots it would mean that the shooter is in my area. My thinking is that by pulling the fire alarm the other three areas could be evacuated. Those of us where the shooter would be are almost all shooters/ex-military. Only 3 non-shooters. So if I heard it and new what it was most of the rest of us would as well. Since the first 2 cubes are the non-shooters they are probably already shot anyway.

    Alternatively I could bail out and leave the rest of the office to hope the shooter has actual targets versus going door to do shooting everyone until he runs out of ammo. I would have no other way to let the other areas know what was happening as I'm too far from the doors to get to the other areas and the shooter would be at that end of our cube farm. Leaving out my door I have to go all the way around a fairly sizable building to get to the next exit I could reach without exposing myself to the shooter.

    So for my current work situation the fire alarm is still what I would do. It gives the best possibility of getting the most people out of harms way.

    Also do you think the fire alarm would give the shooter pause? Maybe, maybe not. I don't need a big gap in his focus, a small one will do.

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