Scenario: Terror on the flight

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    Scenario: Terror on the flight

    How different may it have turned out?

    The weather is fine and the airplane has reached cruising altitude, people are settled in reading or just watching the terrain. You’re returning to your home following a conference on security. There are ex-military and LEO on this flight not unusual for this part of the country. You wonder how many others are carrying as you are; your government issued .40 cal Glock feels good, its security. Suddenly and with no warning a screaming male shouts something about blowing up the plane while two others are rushing toward the cockpit. Usually there are 3 to 5 terrorist assigned to a flight when they strike. What do we do?? Take it from here guys, what can we do???
    Concealed carry on aircraft is allowed providing the airlines were advised by you prior to boarding. A link is provided to set the mood least we forget.

    http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/911-...r-alqueda.html
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    Sit back and watch the show. This is going to be good as the LEOs take care of the terrorists.

    Oh ok. I would make ready and watch the show. It would really depend on where I was relative to the action as to what I would do. Contact distance I'd probably stab them or strike them with my G2 light with the nice edges. I would probably wait to see what LEOs on the plane would do. I don't want to be jumping up or otherwise moving into someone's line of fire.

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    Scott-Under these rules of engagement(for this event) you may carry concealed as a citizen. To do so only requires that the airline be informed you are carrying. The cockpit crew may be armed as well.
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    Wow, nice one Forty Five.

    Sit back and gather intel. No sense in running out guns blazing not completely sure of the odds.

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    APachon, glad your here; we need the big guns fast. People who can think and plan with a partner they don't know yet. What about the two guys headed for the cockpit. Who will stand and deliver????
    An excited guy is beating someone on the head with a gun!!!! What to do???
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    I believe I will stay secured in my seat with gun in hand but out of sight by my side. We need to figure out who are the GGs and who are the BGs. I am pretty sure that if you "spring into action" without figuring it all out, a lot of people are going to pay dearly, including yourself. If, as you said, there are armed law enforcement officers on board, a little observation may tell you who they are and give you a chance to communicate with them and let them know that you are armed, will back them up and above all else, you are a GG. I'm not going to make a quick move just because they are trying to get inside the cockpit door any more than a SWAT team will jump out of the truck and run straight into a building where a situation is unfurling. The cockpit door has been strengthened since 9/11.

    Once you know where they all are, the nature of their weapons and have them all ahead of you, a clear path to the target (no innocents in the line of fire) and they are about to breach the cockpit or step up the action a notch it may be necessary to make a bold move. Until then I will remain an observer watching for an opening.... :slug:
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    I agree with Bumper, until you know who all the BG's are and who are the GG's you have to stay put and observe. Once the action starts it is going to be fast and furious. Some exactingly precise shooting will have to take place to avoid hitting inocent people.
    If they have breached the cockpit and have overpowered the cockpit crew, then you are going to have to consider who will fly the plane if they are caught in the crossfire.
    If the cockpit crew initiates the battle with firearms in the cockpit then everyone else who is armed will have to back them up by taking out the Tango's in the cabin section. The problem here is distinguishing the GG's with guns from the BG's.

    If you are an armed citizen and have a mid-eastern or latin appearance you may just want to sit this one out.
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    Really good Bumper, you made some excellant points but you cheated. You have had prior training and experience, hey thats preperation not cheating.LOL. acparmed provided some pretty good insite. How did you guys hold steady while they were beating someone over the head??? They are at the cockpit door and as Bumper pointed out its reenforced, they are beating on the door and have grabbed a women and cut her throat...what now??
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    If the the cocpit door has been reinforced to withstand a bullet, that sounds to me like the perfect backdrop to shoot the BG's while they arent looking.

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    Bumper so when we fly together, can I have the window seat and ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper
    I believe I will stay secured in my seat with gun in hand but out of sight by my side. We need to figure out who are the GGs and who are the BGs. I am pretty sure that if you "spring into action" without figuring it all out, a lot of people are going to pay dearly, including yourself. If, as you said, there are armed law enforcement officers on board, a little observation may tell you who they are and give you a chance to communicate with them and let them know that you are armed, will back them up and above all else, you are a GG. I'm not going to make a quick move just because they are trying to get inside the cockpit door any more than a SWAT team will jump out of the truck and run straight into a building where a situation is unfurling. The cockpit door has been strengthened since 9/11.

    Once you know where they all are, the nature of their weapons and have them all ahead of you, a clear path to the target (no innocents in the line of fire) and they are about to breach the cockpit or step up the action a notch it may be necessary to make a bold move. Until then I will remain an observer watching for an opening.... :slug:
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    Quote Originally Posted by FortyFive
    How did you guys hold steady while they were beating someone over the head??? They are at the cockpit door and as Bumper pointed out its reenforced, they are beating on the door and have grabbed a women and cut her throat...what now??
    Hey, I didn't say I would enjoy it and woud second guess my decisions if I was lucky enough to live through this encounter. Jumping in before the time is right is going to accomplish nothing but making you a martyr in the eyes of the BG and that's not part of my objective. Remember one thing, you did nnot create the situation of hostage taking and such. If I choose not to participate at all, I have not caused anyone's death or agony. It is doubtful that this situation can be resolved with no loss of life in the GG column. If you make that assumption, your job becomes one of minimizing the losses in that column and maximizing them in the other. I must assume that I am going to have to take them all out on my own, but that is not likely with LE on board. Hopefully we will all be on different targets so they all go down quickly. Someone in the good column is probably going to die, though...


    Quote Originally Posted by GoodSamaritan
    If the the cocpit door has been reinforced to withstand a bullet, that sounds to me like the perfect backdrop to shoot the BG's while they arent looking.
    It does me, too, but not knowing exactly what they did to beef those doors up would make me nervous about it I can guarantee you. I would hate accidentaly hit the pilot. Or if I do, I hope acparmed is with me. I could never land my plane in those flight simulator games....
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    Quote Originally Posted by APachon
    Bumper so when we fly together, can I have the window seat and ???

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    From what you have said in the past, you are considerably bigger than I am sooooo, looks like it will be up to you to be my cover and concealment.

    Honestly though, I will be right behind ya, Andy :fing02:
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    I look at it a lot like the bank robbery scenario. The BGs will know CCW is allowed so if they have a plan they will have a "sleeper". Someone who is the cover for the active guys. This BG's job is to take out anyone who tried to stop the active BGs. Any given plane coming in and out of my area will likely have Fed LEO as well as active military. Not to mention we are a shall-issue state, so who knows how many other people will be armed.

    So first priority would be to see who else has "the look". You know what I mean, in condition red if you are armed you have a certain way of looking around that is different from all the people who are now scared out of their minds. If possible talk to or signal someone else who is being highly aware. I would try military hand signals first. Fairly simple stuff to indicate which targets each one was going to take and if we could id any other friendlies. In 20-30 sec we should be ready to go.

    I don't know that cockpit doors are bullet proof. I don't know that the TSA would advertise it either way. I would ideally want the BGs to be against the gally or lav as a backstop to hopefully stop any rounds that went through them. I would worry not only about the flight crew but blasting the controls to pieces so it wouldn't matter if there was a qualified pilot to fly the plane.

    At contact distance I would go HTH with them and hopefully others would join the fight. I think this day in age anyone trying to take an airliner will have a hard time. The old school of they will hijack it and negotiate is over. I think a lot of people will be willing to fight versus waiting to be crashed into something.

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    Gather intel, sit tight. If shhoting starts take out ant BG's I can from my seat. I would not get up if possible . Any feds or such may mistake you for a BG too, so its tough to call.

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    Friendly Fire ISNT.

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