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As reported by WFTV.com...
Men Followed From Shooting Range, Robbed Of Guns
POSTED: 11:45 am EST February 8, 2007
UPDATED: 5:27 pm EST February 8, 2007
OVIEDO, Fla. -- Oviedo police think two people may have been followed home and robbed after they left a local gun range. The man and his friend were robbed in the driveway of a home on Lullwater Drive in the Kingsbridge West subdivision on Sunday.
The victims later confirmed with detectives that three of the young men were the suspects who showed their faces on in-store surveillance video.
Police agree the attack was brazen, because it seemed planned and it means two more powerful handguns are on the street.
Neighbors were still talking, Thursday, about Sunday afternoon's brazen driveway robbery.
"There were three police cars there and sort of an orangey, maroon colored Porsche pulled into the driveway at an angle," said neighbor Ben Bowles.
"It seems like crime is coming in here and we don't like that. I hope this is just an isolated incident," said neighbor Fima Tolentino.
Police said the robbery seemed rehearsed.
"As far back as I can remember, this is the first time we've had anybody robbed for their guns at gunpoint," said Det. Adam Egert, Oviedo Police Department.
There are shooting ranges all over Central Florida, but the victim and his friend left one in Apopka on Sunday afternoon after two hours on the range. While in the store, they noticed four young men.
The victims later confirmed with detectives that three of the young men were the suspects who showed their faces on in-store surveillance video. One suspect could be identified by his heavy chain, a chain the victim saw again in his own driveway.
"They were in their driveway for a matter of minutes when a green Honda pulled up," Egert said. "When they got out of their car, they put their guns right to their faces."
After the heist, the suspects fled in a bluish green, mid-90s model Honda Accord with tinted windows. The traumatized victims noticed one suspect was even on his cell phone as they drove away, but they didn't get a tag number.
The stolen semiautomatic handguns are a .45 caliber Kimber, worth $1,200, and a .40-caliber Sigsauer, which gun shops sell for about $600.
Meanwhile, neighbors in the well-heeled enclave admit their comfort zone has suddenly gotten a lot smaller.
"Maybe we should have a community watch association," Tolentino said.
The story can be found at; http://www.wftv.com/news/10963235/detail.html#
Thanks Jang for posting the story. My computer skills are somewhat limited, BUT I did find the info to confirm the story :> )) !
Someone better be alert, catch on to being followed thusly, and shoot these pieces of feces dead. This has to stop, with extreme prejudice.
... then they can watch it happen, same as the victim. With no further intel on the crime than the victim had. A Neighborhood Watch group would have no effect against a smash-and-grab type of crime like this. They'd be better off hoping for the isolated incident, but taking actual, effective preparations against such attacks.Originally Posted by Well-heeled lady believing a Neighborhood Watch Assn would cure the ills
I, too, thought it was funny that yet another idjit is suggesting a nice, PC, people-friendly non-solution to the problem.
Hey lady, why not take up a collection and make sure that everyone in the neighborhood who doesn't have a cellular phone with 911 on speed dial can get one free from a charity fund?
Neighborhood Watch?! Does anyone even really believe that those things amount to anything more than just a few signposts on the sidewalks? There speaks a woman who does not have the will to take back her safety from the criminals. She just wants to be able to tattle to the police and hope they stop the criminals.
One of those guys looks a lot like a bear!
"Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18
Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
Ahhhhhhhhh, complacency on the part of the victims. Just what the bad guys ordered.
That'd be my clue to instantly drop it into reverse (assuming for some reason I hadn't backed in as is my habit) and stand on the accelerator...before anybody can fully exit the car......Once I make the strike I don't just stop, I try and shove their car out into the road or against a tree or something. That takes the momentum and element of surprise from the attackers and gives it to me. As I exit my vehicle, I hit my car alarm panic button to add to their confusion. If it's dark out, I draw my surefire as I draw my weapon and seeking cover use the Harries Flashlight technique that seems to work best for me in low light situations, to spot the attackers. By SPOT I mean just that. Use the flashlight in bursts of light rather than one continuous beam. I have a 3 cell 9P model with the ultra high output bulb. You catch that in the eyes on a dark night and you'll be near blind for a good long time.
I actually have practiced this scenario (without drawing the weapon so as not to alarm the neighbors) so I know how FAST I can exit MY vehicle in an emergency. Plus I usually BACK into my driveway, which is even better for this scenario.
Hopefully, before I get home I'll have spotted the tail. I've done it before. When I was a Parole Officer I caught one of my "clients" tailing me from the office trying to get my home address. I kept noticing the same set of headlights making the same turns and so I just led him right to the Police Station where the cops were waiting.
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
how about neighborhood upgrade w/ the crimewatch? Money for gunports on all the road/driveway facing houses where the owners request them. Make em real pretty and put flower boxes around them.
It can go from a crimewatch to a crimestop.
I think one thing to keep in mind is that one gun (or two if you want to do it movie style) against for guys coming from behind is not an ideal situation. If you are still in your car, you have a weapon that claims more lives then guns each year. It also causes enough confusion and moves you (harder target to hit) at the same time. Having 4 guys, two on each side if they are smart, pointing guns on you does not give much options for a shoot out (particularly if you are wearing a seatbelt). A car can get you out of the way quicker in many situations plus has a lot more force than a .50BMG, much less a .45 ACP.
WOW, that is twice from the same gun range. Leesburg is LONG way to follow someone from Apopka, just as it was to travel from Apopka to Oviedo. These guys are good just at doing that. Seems they also are well rehearsed in how they carry out their attacks. I know if 4 black guys follow me to my driveway, they are not coming to sell girl scout cookies. Taking on 4 armed BG's who have the surprise element in their favor is a rather tricky endeavor. They are making this habit and someone with BIG cajones is going to take them on at some point. They can't stay so lucky if they keep targeting gunowners who PRACTICE.
Crimewatch, a joke. It is exactly that, they just watch as crime happens. Obviously that won't do much. Doubt these guys would have turned around and run, upon spotting a CRIME WATCH sign at the entry to the neighborhood.
I DO like the gun ports idea. Perhaps we should do like the Swiss , and require every male to have a gun and crap load of ammo.
Last edited by sass20485; February 9th, 2007 at 06:10 PM.
Always be aware of your surroundings...that's propably the only thing yu can do.
"Only hits count."
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Once again we must stay with basics and IMO stay alert, simlar thing happened to my wife and I several years but it turned bad for the three in there car. In currant times there are many looking for a free lunch and want what they are to lazy to work for. I'm not saying be afraid, use those mirrors and your gut feeling, be safe.