Mall shooting poll
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If I die, nobody gets saved and my family loses me ...
View Poll Results: What is your response to a mall shooting when you're close?
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Family first - this is not my fight
I can't sit by and let a nut job shoot people
I can't sit idly by and let a terrorist shoot people
No engagement unless directly targeted - immediate bug out
No engagement unless directly targeted - sit tight and observe
Engage while retreating - tactical bug out
Engage at first / best tactical opportunity - ambush
Engage with total war - damn the torpedoes
Other - tell us your plan
February 14th, 2007 04:09 PM
Family first. Then head back in unless it's a no win no cover situation.
If I die, nobody gets saved and my family loses me also.
February 14th, 2007 04:21 PM
I put family first.. but if I have a way to take the person out without too much risk to me I'll sure try. Maybe the gunman doesn't even see you, and you're behind him not too far away to be able to make a decent shot.
I'm not about to go charging down the barrel of a gun however, not unless I absolutely have to in order to defend myself. Being a hero is one thing, being a dumb dead attempted hero is another. If you really want to try to save people, you have to be smart and realistic about it. Say you're the only one around with a gun. Doing something stupid and getting killed sure isn't going to help all the others in the mall.
So that's why I say family first.. but if the situation presents itself where I have the advantage to engage I'd probably do it. And I suppose when you think about it, the mall being a "No guns"place potentially, we'll just wait and see if you're hailed as a hero like the off duty cop was, or if they view you like a person who broke the law. I'm willing to bet that if you saved the lives of many innocent people, there would be an uproar of support for you if they tried to file charges against you for carrying.
February 14th, 2007 04:30 PM
Me and mine...first...tatical escape, if possible...
If directly targeted...ALL H**L wil break loose...(from cover, of course).
Stay armed...stay safe!
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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February 14th, 2007 04:34 PM
i have no doubt i'd try to do the right thing.
that being said, given as many times as scenarios like this have played out, both in my head and on forums, i've often found myself wondering if i could, well, holster and sneak out after neutralizing permanently, or at least pinning the guy down til reinforcements get there.... revolvers dont leave brass, if you can keep it under 5 shots.
if i could get the shooter stopped, taking his own cover, and pull his firing zone in a safer direction for the masses to exodus, then just try and split in the confusion of the aftermath, would i do it? i honestly can't say i wouldnt try...
February 14th, 2007 04:52 PM
Family first...back out covertly with gun in hand, low ready. IF the shot presents itself..take it. If not, don't go looking for it.
I'd love to be the hero...but not one talked about in the past tense.
If I'm cornered and he's between me and mine and safety, engage with extreme violence.
February 14th, 2007 05:53 PM
Family with me bug out, if alone engage with ambush.
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February 14th, 2007 05:56 PM
Exactly! Couldn't have said it any better!
Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey
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February 14th, 2007 06:07 PM
Are you saying that in MA, selfe defense does not extend to the defense of an innocent third party? That is pathetic.
Originally Posted by stoneypete
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February 14th, 2007 06:12 PM
My wife comes first. After I find a secure place for her I would go and see what I could do to help put the BG out of commission. You can't just stand by and let people die. .
February 14th, 2007 06:50 PM
I voted other...........
But I think that I would be wanting to DO something.....Carefully.
Take cover, observe, take action if I have the green light from conscience.
I'm not taking a bullet without sharing several of my own.
February 14th, 2007 06:57 PM
February 14th, 2007 07:59 PM
A person needs to think this thru concerning liability ,court time, possible charges prison. keep mine safe, However some men or our ilk may find themselfs up and moving looking for the advantage without a great deal of thought . The best battle plan lasts only until first contact. but if I am seeing women and children go down I will engage.
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February 14th, 2007 08:40 PM
Engage at first / best tactical opportunity - ambush
As far as I'm concerned the best tactical opportunity presents itself once my family is out of harm's way. I would escort my family out of the building, then re-enter. If I am alone, the first situation that presents itself from behind cover I'm taking the shot. The BG automatically assumes that no one is armed, I'm taking advantage of that with extreme prejudice.
I have actually thought of the mall situation before, tactics-wise. Last year I was at a department training session at the LE academy with myself and a corrections officer where we spent a week in the city. We went to the movies, out to eat (a lot), and even to the mall. At all times, even at the academy the C/O and I were always armed and concealed. At the mall there were a few off-duty LEOs doing security for extra money.
It would truly be a Kodak moment to see the face of the BG when the armed LEOs in uniform engage, myself and the C/O engage, as well as any other CCW'rs and off-duty LE engage as well. At the very beginning the BG is looking at -- at least -- 7 against one, not very good odds.
I should also point out that just about all of the personnel that are not LEOs at my station have a CCW permit. I also want to point out that all of us non-LEOs are not considered, by any measure, as LE and that we're all purely considered CCW'rs.
Last edited by soundwave; February 14th, 2007 at 08:45 PM.
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February 14th, 2007 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs
Roger that, RR....
Put me down for +1.....
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February 14th, 2007 09:17 PM
I'm outta there, esp. if I'm with the fam.
If he comes our way, it's Go-Time.
If ALL of us can't leave, and he comes our way, it's Go-Time.
"...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes."
Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.
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