February 16th, 2007 06:18 PM
Mod's this isn't really a scenario, although I guess it could be, but move it to where y'all see fit. I just think this is something people should probably be made aware of.
Apparently there is a new "game" in central Ohio called "knockout", where groups of young thugs walk up to random people on the street, and punch them in the face trying to knock them out. It has been brought to light because a man was killed when he was punched and hit his head on the ground.
So, obviously, don't be in condition white, don't let young thugs sneak up on you, or surround you. Don't walk alone, maybe, but there isn't too much to do to defend against this.
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Two teenagers entered a plea deal in connection with the death and robbery of a man outside a local bar. The teens were officially sentenced on Friday.
According to court documents, four teenagers were playing a game called knockout when 43-year-old Terry Ward was punched outside the Blueberry Hill bar in September. Ward was killed in the attack, NBC 4 reported.
Officials said the game begins when a group of people approach an unexpecting stranger and one of the people punches the person in the face as hard as they can in an attempt to knock them out.
Detectives were able to arrest four people and charge them in connection with the death.
Charged were 13-year-old Doug Bailey, 14-year-old Joshua Connally, 15-year-old Elijah Nichols and 18-year-old Emmanuel Jackson.
Bailey pleaded guilty to felonious assault on Friday. He was released and put on house arrest.
Connally pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and was sentenced to a year in juvenile detention.
Both deals require the teenagers to help prosecutors in the case against Nichols and Jackson.
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February 16th, 2007 06:27 PM
Condition yellow should help, seeing it coming help alot. Thanks for the heads up, this is a real concern.
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February 16th, 2007 06:28 PM
You pretty much summed it up right there. Try to avoid walking through groups of people who are approaching you shoulder to shoulder. I'll happily step off into the street, or turn a corner to let them pass by.
Originally Posted by buckeye07
I think this is a scenario, personally. A hard punch can do some serious damage, not to mention falling on your head afterwards. That counts as deadly force to me. As far as defending against it, you're right, once the attack has started, you're pretty much boned. It's all in situational awareness, and avoiding being targetted in the first place (just like everything else).
Last edited by Bob The Great; February 16th, 2007 at 07:21 PM.
February 16th, 2007 06:29 PM
These kids are lucky they didn't try this on someone with a CCW and end up getting a 230 grain counterpunch. Four against one would definitely qualify as a sufficient disparity of force to call for a lethal response.
February 16th, 2007 07:03 PM
I would think that this scenario is one of the worst that a CCL holder can face. Should the attack be countered with a firearm, the ages of the thugs coupled with their use of only fists would most certainly draw the most extreme criticism for the CC'er.
"Society never advances. It recedes as fast on one side as it gains on the other. It undergoes continual change; but this change is not [an improvement]. For everything that is given, something is taken."
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February 16th, 2007 07:44 PM
February 16th, 2007 07:54 PM
You mean the type that used to be a Boxer or Marine when they were the same age as the thugs..
Originally Posted by lowflyer
In my happy place I do one of these when a pensioner drills their fists into the face of punks that try this on them...
February 16th, 2007 07:54 PM
They may look human - walk like humans and smell like humans but, they sure aren't human.
Be careful out there folks.
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February 16th, 2007 08:08 PM
February 16th, 2007 08:43 PM
Yes and if you had been punched it is too late. Best to avoid places were this action takes place when alone. Most likely this activity is at night and in seedy parts of town.
Originally Posted by gimpy
February 17th, 2007 01:01 AM
No respect of others
NO Crap.....It is very sad what our society is turning into & it will not get better until we take it back.
Everyone be safe........
February 17th, 2007 08:56 AM
When they are arrested and sent to jail...they can play "knockout" with their new prison buddies....but me thinks they will be on the recieving end...
February 17th, 2007 09:12 AM
Hopefully the'll play house and have to wear the apron.
Originally Posted by simon
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
February 17th, 2007 09:46 AM
As the above example illustrates, even this can be deadly. Don't underestimate the power of a punch, a kick, or a simple fall from 5ft (head to concrete). I can kill. Defending against such actions and responding accordingly is not a crime.
Originally Posted by gimpy
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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February 17th, 2007 10:44 AM
Not impressed with the sentences. Deal or no deal, they will not learn from this.
*** is an 18yo man doing hanging around with a 13yo kid?
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