Attention sheep: Malls are not safe places!
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I had a meeting yesterday at a shopping Mall in Johannesburg. I arrived about 40 minutes early, so decided to ...
February 23rd, 2007 05:27 PM
This was posted on another forum yesterday..
BTW.. I HATE malls
I had a meeting yesterday at a shopping Mall in Johannesburg. I arrived about 40 minutes early, so decided to go upstairs to the bank. Due to the spate of Bank robberies that are going on at the moment over here, I dislike going near banks at the best of times, but usually pick ones that are centrally located in the middle of a big mall.
As I ascended the escalator, I was idly wondering why they had placed the banking area near an entrance to the mall as this is a security risk. I then noticed two pairs of guys who were a) obviously jumpy and b) trying to pretend not to know each other. I realised something was afoot and began to observe them, at the same time moving towards a planted area with a low wall that could provide cover in case of trouble. The lady in front of me also noticed these guys and pointed them out to a patrolling security guard.
Anyway, the guys moved out of the centre with the guard discreetly following them. I finished my business and went for my meeting. On exiting the centre a while later, imagine my surprise to find the police all over the carpark and my four friends from earlier lying handcuffed in the car park. Police had recovered two handguns and an AK47 which was in a shopping trolley hidden in a bag. It seems that the security had seen them pull up in a couple of cars and called the police, who responded quickly and made an arrest.
Whilst observing them earlier in the centre, I found myself almost certain that they were up to no good, but also desperately hoping that they were just there to run errands. I ran through a few scenarios in my mind, all of which involved me alone armed only with my Hi-Power taking on these four guys (maybe more) and probably not looking too well at the end. Instinct told me to get out as quickly as possible, but common sense told me I was over-reacting and being overly suspicious. In a country like this, you can become suspicious all of the time. Yesterday reminded me that this is not neccessarily a bad thing.
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February 23rd, 2007 05:27 PM
February 23rd, 2007 05:36 PM
I've always looked at malls, as a buffet for criminals. Sex offenders.. you have no shortage of pretty women to choose from. Child abductors, there are plenty of children running around, straggling behind their parents. Purse snatches.. we all know women love their purses.. heck, aside from the money inside the purse, most purses now days are worth more than the cash inide them!
Car thieves? Plenty of cars out there to choose from. You name it, there's something there for a criminal. This is the exact reason why I ''obey" the no gun policies of malls now that I carry.
A weirdo can easily wander around the mall unnoticed. Stalking people, watching their moves. Sit on a bench and watch the kiddies play in the play area. There is just so much going on that a criminal can take advantage of.
People get a feeling of being safe, because everyone is there with their families. Certainly no smart parent would drop their teen children off at the mall for an hour or two of shopping alone if the mall was a dangerous place.. right??? When one sheep chooses the path, the rest of the flock follow. Don't worry, we have unarmed security driving the parking lot, and unarmed security on the other end of the mall from where you are. You're perfectly safe!!
February 23rd, 2007 05:41 PM
That's exactly how I feel. Do not fault me for becoming suspicious about something. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.. no harm done. If i fail to become alarmed and trust my gut instinct and something happens, it may cost me my life.
Originally Posted by Ride4TheBrand
I had a person following me out of a hospital a while back. i was with my girlfriend. I was about to my vehicle and I heard heavy footsteps all of a sudden. I immediately turned around and startled a lady, who happened to be parked right beside me. She laughed and said I'm following you.. obviously in the way to mean that she realizes she startled me and knew I had good reason to suddenly turn around. We both felt silly, but what if it wasn't the lady who was parked next to me? Sometimes you just have to trust your gut feelings.
February 23rd, 2007 09:39 PM
Malls = target-rich environment.
Trouble with many folks in malls - they ''see'' what they perceive as such a scene of normalcy and security - they cannot believe anything could possibly go wrong!
Viewed from the perspective of a BG, it's easy to see why such public shopping areas are such a draw: a high-density collection of people with money; slower-moving people, given the load of goods being carried; a "window shopper" mentality is taking the attention of everyone off any thought of maintaining one's security "perimeter." I can't think of a better combination for a criminal who is bent on person crimes. It's a target-rich environment, from a BG's perspective. One would think any sheep could understand this, easily. Not.
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February 24th, 2007 12:35 PM
The mall near me is perfectly safe. What with the No guns allowed signs at all the entrances. We all know that they act as an invisible barrier that will automatically repel everyone with a gun. It was just a glitch in the security system when two weeks ago shots were fired in one of the entrances. Someone must not have seen the sign. I don’t know how they could have missed it; I guess they just weren’t looking.
My oldest daughter used to meet all sorts of nice guys at the mall when she and her friends used to drive out there (thank you God those years are in the past). We used to get lots of collect calls from various correctional facilities when they wanted to talk with her. So I really don’t understand why you would not feel safe at a mall. Especially one with the anti gun signs.
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February 24th, 2007 12:59 PM
This is exactly why we need more people like the mall ninja.
seriously though: I don't go to malls. I think they typify many of the problems of our nation. They are nothing more than shrines of materialism and consumerism for people who are out of touch with reality in most cases.
When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.
February 24th, 2007 02:00 PM
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February 24th, 2007 05:58 PM
I Hate Malls...
When I go, it's to accompany my wife...when I accompany my wife, I'm heavily armed...when I'm heavily armed I stay in yellowish-orange..when I'm in yellowish-orange, I'm a suspiciously unfriendly guy...when I'm a suspiciously unfriendly, I'm not real happy...
I hate malls...
Stay armed...stay safe!
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February 25th, 2007 01:44 PM
Let's see......lots of shops that are stuffed with goods and money. Lots of people there to shop for the good they want and they are carrying wads of cash and credit cards. Lots of cars worth money that are stuffed with more goods.
And the sheeple don't think the scum bags will realize this and go there to score some quick cash and stolen property?
It amazes me how the sheeple think, or don't about how the real world works.
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