This is a discussion on Fist fight while carrying within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by BikerRN OK, Dumb question time. WHY THE H E Double Hockey Sticks are you getting in to fist fights as a CCW ...
"We must remember that one man is much
the same as another, and that he is best
who is trained in the severest school."
~Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War
You're assuming that I must be inpolite to people and am looking for a fist fight is the exact opposite of what I said in my post...
Maybe I read the question wrong. If I did I apologise.
If I have to use hand to hand in order to be able to gain distance and get away from my attacker, I will. My advancement is in a rearward direction so that I can "Beat Feet".
I read the question as, if I get in to an argument with someone and it turns in to a "scuffle" sort of thing. As a CCW Holder you have NO Business getting in to a verbal altercation, much less a scuffle. You know one thing as a CCW Holder that the other party doesn't know, there is a deadly weapon present at the altercation.
An old cop said it best years ago; "Every time I go to a Domestic there is at least one gun present, mine."
Ok, well I'm gonna throw my $0.02 into the conversation here. I have seen my fair share of physical confrontations and fistfights. Working as a bouncer at college for going on 4 years now, its bound to happen (although most bars don't let me throw a punch unless it's really neccessary, wrist locks, chokes holds, shin kicks, elbows, and other assorted strikes are preferred). I am not a huge guy, but I'm not tiny, currently I'm at about 5'11 and 230, with a 35 inch waist, and 46 inch chest.
I don't carry at work, and for most of the situations I have to handle, I'm glad I don't. I have extremely limited training in weapon retention, and it would be an extra liability (now, if someone tried to rob us, I would want it, but I go hands on with someone at least every other night I work, and haven't heard of any of the big bars being robbed up here since I've been in school).
As far as the arguement of someone smaller vs someone bigger, here is my take on it. Usually I would rather get into a fight with someone bigger than me, here is why: they do tend to be stronger, but they are slower, and tend to telegraph their moves (doesn't apply to UFC fighters, but does in general), they also tend to be untrained in fighting styles, relying on their sheer mass to intimidate the other person into submission, or they go for one big punch.
Little guys on the other hand tend to be more athletic, move and strike a lot faster, and can still pack enough strength to do major damage. I consider them more of a threat mostly because of their speed, and most little guys who like to fight have experience fighting and some wrestiling or boxing or martial art in their background.
Both groups tend to pose serious threats, but I put little guys just ahead of big guys. (Not that I ever understimate anyone, just the way i see things).
Most fights can be avoided if one party pulls their head from a dark place and just walks away (be careful with this though, never turn your back on a possible threat, cheap shots can kill.) This even works with drunks. Their are exceptions to this, see my "Knockout" thread, but generally they can be avoided. De-escalate, appologize, do whatever you have to do to avoid a fight you don't have to be in. If you have a firearm on your person, this is especially true, de-escalate the situation and retreat, if neither is possible, be prepared to do whatever you have to do to protect your life.
So that was more like $0.04, but I hope it gave y'all somethings to consider concerning this.
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Let me also say this which may not have been clear in my original post..> i worry more about the legality issue here. Like a woman is going to get away with self defense easier than a man. A guy smaller than me , is the court going to say " how much of a threat was this guy to you"? If the guy was 100 lbs bigger than me , its obvious he was more of a threat..
Whatever doesn't kill you postpones the inevitable.
In 25+ years of carrying i have never been in a " fistfight " that was not job related . I can walk away , its my choice . Of course i dont normaly go to places where idiots even run thier mouths ( bars ) .
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"Add a little pepper spray and running shoes (I kid, I kid!) and you should have most of your bases covered."
Really there are some simple easy to learn moves that will usually allow a person to quickly terminate an impending confrontation and extricate themselves from it and then...DO use those running shoes.
Ending a fight before it escalates and then immediately getting elsewhere is the best way to survive it.
Unless you can't, walk away. Then you better be presented with the threat of serious bodily harm or death before you "pull" your gun. It will go much better for you if "the other guy" does not know you have it unless you need to use it.
"Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud..."
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Most situations can be backed out of. If that fails fight to win.
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