Home Defense Shotgun Users-Do you fear hitting friendlies??
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April 11th, 2007 11:56 PM
Home Defense Shotgun Users-Do you fear hitting friendlies??
Question for Home Defense Shotgun Users-Do you fear hitting friendlies?? I have never gotten a home defense shotgun for fear of hitting a family member in a hostage situation (my personal greatest fear for a break-in scenario - hey, some folks are deathly afraid of snakes!!!). I did use a shotgun back in my former cop life, but just to qualify twice a year at the range. My kids sleep in a different wing of the house, no way to change that given the house plan. Am I worrying too much??
April 12th, 2007 12:00 AM
No, you are not thinking too much! You need to think about load and floorplan.
I don't. Nope. No kids, or others in house. Have it loaded with 00 Buck. Closest neighbor is two brick walls and 1/2 mile away.
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April 12th, 2007 12:06 AM
Shotguns do not eliminate everything in the room, I do believe you are worrying too much (your words) and need to take a HD shotgun tutorial course.
There was a piece on the Personal Defense TV show where they had three metal targets next to each other, really close to each other, they shot the center one with a shotgun and the other two stayed up.
April 12th, 2007 12:30 AM
something for you to consider, practice practice practice....get to know your scattergun like a family member, practice with 00 and slugs to know how your gun shoots at different ranges, etc
as for me, house plan is good, one hallway to cover to protect or bedrooms and the mossberg 500 with 7 rounds of 00 would be nasty to face
as for a hostage situation, thats a whole other story, my HK USP 45 or AK would be more appropriate if the circumstances were right
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April 12th, 2007 12:35 AM
Have you considered an AR15 carbine?
The modern 5.56 loads, like hornady's 55gr TAP are supposed to be less hazardous after passing through a typical interior wall than a 9mm is.
You have the precision if you need it, with plenty of stopping power.
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April 12th, 2007 01:20 AM
If you are worried about over penetration you could load up with #4 shot instead of 00 or slugs. Less penetration but still a good amount in soft targets. If its paterning, IIRC cylinder bore gives you one inch of spread per yard from the muzzle.
April 12th, 2007 07:19 AM
I think you worry too much.
As 0.02 said, "take a defensive shotgun course." It will answer most of your questions and will help to prepare you mentally to use one if the time should ever come.
As for ammo type:
00 Buck is over-hyped as a defensive round. It is NOT the "be all end all". It is more common because it is more readily available. #1 Buck is better, 16 pellets instead of 9, offers more coverage and provide better wound characteristics, and will not penetrate walls as easilly as 00. I have my home defense shotguns loaded with #1 Buck, but carry slugs in the side saddles. That way I can tailor my load to the situation.
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April 12th, 2007 10:55 AM
The .223 is appropriate for CQB entry teams- they come in with hearing protection/suppressors, in most places anymore. Long guns of any sort are pretty "stout" on the average joe's ears. Yeah, you may not be dazed, due to auditory exclusion, but that won't prevent a perforated ear drum. You may not be able to hear the next "bump in the night".
Originally Posted by MattLarson
Anyhow, I'm partial to slugs, in the SG. Buckshot won't spread much, across a room, but....
April 12th, 2007 11:18 AM
I don't worry about hitting family members with my Shottie
One reason is floor plan (Boys room is next to ours with short hall contacting the rooms) and the other is I have taken a shotgun class and have patterned my shottie at 3, 5 and 10 yards. I know how much #4 buck opens and speards. Besides the second round is a slug.
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April 12th, 2007 02:07 PM
I run #6 shot, 7 rounds of it. This is backup to my pistol. 21 rounds, much faster to deploy, harder to take away, faster to reload, less damage to my already damaged hearing.
April 12th, 2007 06:03 PM
+100 for "take a defensive shotgun course."
You'll find out real quick that buckshot does not "spray"
as some people think it does. Stay safe.
April 12th, 2007 10:05 PM
Another +1 on take a defensive shotgun course. I did recently and was surprised at versatility of shottie. I now keep mine with 00 in the mag and slugs on buttstock carrier.
April 12th, 2007 10:08 PM
I don't worry per say about spray (I understand the real characteristics), I am very thoughtful though about shot placement as overpenetration in my home is an issue (only drywall and studs- no brick). I didn't think much of it before until I checked out the "box o truth". I forget the website address at the moment... Needless to say...it was quite revealing about penetration through normal interior walls that some folks don't seem to worry much about for some odd reason....found the site again:
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April 12th, 2007 10:16 PM
I also use #1 buck, and beside taking the classes that others suggest, you must also pattern your gun with your load. At 25' my pattern is just over fist size. If it came down to it I would not have a problem taking that "hostage" shot.
00 Buck is over-hyped as a defensive round. It is NOT the "be all end all". It is more common because it is more readily available. #1 Buck is better, 16 pellets instead of 9, offers more coverage and provide better wound characteristics, and will not penetrate walls as easilly as 00. I have my home defense shotguns loaded with #1 Buck,
April 12th, 2007 10:38 PM
During A Home Invasion...
I may not have time to worry about where ALL the bullets travel. Would you NOT take a shot to save family because the bullet may travel through several walls? Actually, that thought may not even be on your mind...
Houses and neighborhoods vary...
We have had home invasions in our town (Gainesville)...do I think about it?...not a lot, but I do have locks and guns for SOME reason!
We have no little ones in the house, and my wife has her own gun...perhaps a little 'planning ahead', talking through the scenarios would help...
I have a 12ga coach gun...two shots for the entrance...to the house or the bedroom (if that is the last retreat)...someone comes through the door without an invitation...10-20'...I'm not worried about the ammo going anywhere but into the BG(s)...
I wouldn't spend a great deal of time thinking about, just make a plan!
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