scumbags disguised as cops
This is a discussion on scumbags disguised as cops within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; AFIK (and I know of three, off the top of my head, including the AZ shoot), no legit homeowner has survived an entry, when the ...
April 12th, 2007 06:07 PM
AFIK (and I know of three, off the top of my head, including the AZ shoot), no legit homeowner has survived an entry, when the HO fired on LE.
This goes a long way to demonstrating mindset: the BGs bug out or barricade effectively at the drop of a hat. The GGs aren't expecting a full-blown assault team, but a home-invader/burgler. BIG difference.
Unless they're incompetent(SWAT), the dogs are dead within about 2 seconds of being seen-they won't have a chance to bite much.
Reality check guys- whatever FUs may happen, you're still talking about professionals. Unless they bog down(as in 3-4 of the stack dropped hard and fast), there won't be an opportunity to "consider" or look at what's coming down on you/us.
Last edited by Rob72; April 12th, 2007 at 06:15 PM.
April 12th, 2007 06:07 PM
April 12th, 2007 07:06 PM
This pops up every once in a while, and generally, it's a nightmare situation. If you shoot (and if you have time to shoot), and it turns out to be a mistaken raid, you're in your boxers up against a number of heavily armed and armoured men who are trained to work in a team - not good odds. If you don't shoot, and it turns out to be some BG's posing as cops, you'll be robbed/raped/murdered, and possibly with your own weapon.
About your only option that doesn't involve your own death is to have some kind of safe-room that will slow the attackers, buying you time and the ability to determine if they really are cops. Unfortunately, these are expensive and rare, and you still have to make it to the room in the first place.
April 12th, 2007 10:59 PM
Home Invasion or Cops...
what a nightmare!
No BG's in our home or neighborhood (that I know of...), at least not in the neighboring 12 houses.
Someone crashing through our front of rear door is going to be met with gunfire...
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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April 15th, 2007 10:02 PM
That is things that happen when We The People let Peace Officers become Law Enforcement. Their is a big difference between the two
Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.
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April 15th, 2007 11:50 PM
I stand corrected on the "repeal" of k & a. I was flat wrong on that one as a result of reliance of inaccurate info. For that, I apologize. What DID occur is the Supremes pulled the TEETH from the law. In other words, what used to pack the potential to draw blood can now only gum you into submission. The Supremes apparently didn't repeal the law, but they did effectively castrate it.
The only knock you may hear may quite likely be the knock of your door being slammed in. And any evidence acquired will likely not be subject to the exclusionary rule as a result of the lack of teeth in the new, liberally construed (worthless) K&A rule...this is bad news for bad guys, but horrifying for the victims of erroneous searches.
April 16th, 2007 07:56 AM
Many details of these events are not publicized, for reasons outside control of LE and the news.
If I'm judging anyone here correctly, the people on this board can put this on the bottom of "stuff to worry about" list. Waaaay down the list.
Last edited by sheepdog; April 16th, 2007 at 08:31 AM.
April 16th, 2007 02:26 PM
I agree with Gumby...I mean, sheepdog
It's a highly unlikely scenario.
May 5th, 2007 03:43 AM
This is a very tough and very dangerous situation for sure and a situation where someone is likely to end up dead.
I am way lucky in this standpoint as I am a medic on the sheriff's entry team so an organized ligitimate raid on my home, I would more then likely be part of the team.
I know every city cop, deputy, and State Trooper in my county and a lot in neighboring counties. If it was a raid from the multi-jurisdictional drug task force, again, I know enough of them that at least one of them would be on the raid.
So anyone breaking in my door claiming to be cops.... Well... The Fights on!
But for those not in my situation... All I can say is play it real cool... Have a weapon hidden and in very close proximity. It won't take long at all for you to realize they are NOT LEO's. When that is the case you can only hope that they don't know you as a gun owner and hope for an opportunity.
Home Invasions are very deadly situations and the home owner, even though he is in his own home, are usually at a serious disadvantage. Especially when the BG's are impersonating LEO's.
One good thought is usually the BG's that are desparate enough to do home invasions on occupied dwellings are druggies that are desparate to support their habit. Most times they have very poor tactics and even poorer situational awareness that may give you an edge if you keep your wits and have at least thought through similar scenario's in your training.
However, druggies are usually wacked out on drugs when they do these things and are very unpredictable and wound tighter than an 8 day clock.
No doubt about it, Home Invasions are among The Most Deadly of Situations to be in.
Good luck and remember, if it comes down to just plain luck... luck favors the prepared mind.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
May 5th, 2007 04:05 AM
I don't deal with drugs, hang out with drug users, nor break the law. I pay my taxes, have a legitimate job, and I only buy legal firearms and don't deal with any type of explosives. I am an american patriot and would die for the constitution and what it stands for.
There is NO reason for the cops to come knocking.
Someone kicks my door in I am going to give them a 12 gauge surprise after they pull the two rottweilers off their asses. If it's cops then I guess it was mine and their time to die.
May 5th, 2007 08:37 AM
A noisy, violent break-in to my home is going to be met with resistance, to the degree necessary to repel the attack. As I am not a criminal and have nothing that cannot await 8am to call me about, the only such break-in can be criminal. My life would be at risk. I would defend it, at no matter the cost to those breaking in. It would have to be assumed that the folks breaking in were criminal; there's no way around that.
That is the problem with no-knock entry to homes. It's going to get folks killed. Either LEO's or innocent, upstanding citizens, or both.
It's a bad, dangerous policy. Sure, with criminals who will fight to the death, it's a crucial step that needs to be taken in situations where the criminals are armed, violent and an immediate risk to those around them. Law enforcement folks have a tough job. However, when those same militarized tactics are applied (either accidentally or otherwise) to upstanding citizens, then injury or death will result from the inevitable clash if the break-in is made to the home of someone prepared to defend.
This is a simple tactic in the tool box of criminals, masquerading as someone else. It happens on the street. It's not a surprise that it happens with a little uniform at people's homes. Smart, from the criminals' viewpoint. Dangerous from the LEO's perspective. Deadly, for the average upstanding citizen who is being jumped on at 3am ... or for the poor sod(s) in the lane of fire attempting the jumping. Bad news all the way around.
I hope the simple lunacy of such policies catch like wildfire and spread to every corner of every department in every juristiction in this country. Congress, too, though I won't hold my breath on that score.
Home invasions? Heck, a couple/three home invasions occur weekly in the city where I live.
Originally Posted by sheepdog
Fairly frequently, it's met with armed resistance. There have been some publicized no-knock entries in the past year, and each has been described in the papers as having captured a druggie's den of thieves, a murderer on the lam, or whatever. Unknown if any have occurred due to mistaken identity. I have yet to hear of uniformed masqueraders attempting such a thing in this area. But in a city of 2M (major metro & surrounding), it's just a matter of time.
Last edited by ccw9mm; May 5th, 2007 at 08:43 AM.
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May 5th, 2007 11:56 AM
That sucks big time. I live in a small city and am a volunteer auxiliary police officer for the same. I know all the officers and they know me and most know where I live. If anyone pretends to be the police and tries that at my house - I don't think it'd work.
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May 5th, 2007 04:57 PM
That makes two of us.
Originally Posted by jeep45238
May 5th, 2007 06:36 PM
One of the big advantages to small-town America is the cops already know who are the good guys and who are the bad. Heck, everybody knows everybody elses business.
Last edited by obxned; May 5th, 2007 at 11:14 PM.
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May 5th, 2007 06:52 PM
Not an advantage to those who wish to keep their private lives private.
Originally Posted by obxned
May 5th, 2007 07:50 PM
I am lucky that I know all the law enforcement in my town...and they know me. I also believe a bounty hunter has to have good information that they person they seek is in a residence. I am afraid if they made that big of a mistake of breaking down MY door...I would have to react with lethal force. I know no one in my household is a wanted felon. I also know that criminals will say anything to gain access. If I knew for sure that they were mistaken bounty hunters...I wouldn't be out to kill them, BUT how would I know at 3 in the morning who they actually are? Giving this much thought...I would have to defend myself. I really challenge the statement that a bounty hunter has the right to bust down any door...I believe they are required to have solid evidence that their prey was on the other side of the door.
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