This is a discussion on Hypothetical Nightmare Virginia Tech Tactical Scenario.... within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by hrchadwell ....... now that is my perspective, a little different from a student or teachers perspective because i am a law enforcement ...
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
I would identify the perp and pull my weapon.
After I pulled my weapon I would order him to lower his weapon and get on the ground. If he did not comply I would double tap center mass...If that did not take him down I would continue to fire until the threat was neutralized.
I wouldn't worry about the police opening fire on me too much. When you pull a weapon, you should be aware of ALL your surroundings and when you see police you lower your weapon and surrender. The police would not open fire (i would hope not) on someone that is lowering their weapon and surrendering.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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I just want to say as someone who answers 911 calls, I wouldn't call 911. You and every other billionth person on that campus is calling 911 reporting the same thing. IF you are able to get through or make the call in the first place. You're talking about maybe 1-2 cell towers in the area of a university and they're going to get hammered and so is the comm center answering 911. Unless you have the shooter in your sights you aren't going to be helping LE respond to the situation because they know there's a shooter and they're having people respond -- you aren't giving them anything helpful. Similarly, if you have the shooter in your sights, you should be shooting them not calling 911.
So, no 911 for me. I would say the best option is to stay put in a large room with other people and lockdown. You stay near the door as security. As long as the door is not breached, you and the others are safe. As soon as the door is breached by the shooter you fire and the threat ends. If you seek-out the shooter you are placing yourself in danger and with other CCW'rs you have more threats than just one. The shooter is likely a student with a gun, if you have a gun and go to that school, you fit the profile. You would likely shoot the same profiled person as well as the police.
DO NOT count on the police to save you, they will move in when it is safe. The VT shooting took about 9 minutes after the first two killings were finished. Columbine took 6 minutes. There's no way for you to save all those people unless the shooter is in your immediate presence when the shooting starts. The only thing you can do is attempt to corral as many people as you can and keep them and you safe.
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall." Adolf Hitler
I'd be worried that in reading off my description to 911 (like Lima suggested), it would get cross-commed and picked up as the description of the BG... Ever play the game 'telephone' as a kid?
I say rally the sheep and barricade. Let them call 911 if they want, every one of them has a cell phone. Just make it clear to them that I'm not the BG first.
I'd try cover the door as best I could and not go hunting. Counterstrike hasn't really trained me enough for that kind of tactical nightmare.
"An armed society is a polite society."