Age matters

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    Age matters, at least in Minnesota. Being close to 60 there are a of of situations in which I can draw and shoot where a 30 year old can't. I'm considered more vulnerable to attack and thus I can react sooner with more force than the 30 year old. This does not give e license to shoot up the community, just to more heavily rely on my weapon for defense.

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    It's a "disparity of force" issue, not specifically an age issue. A 30 year old with physical limitations would have, in general, an easier time articulating disparity of force than would a hale, healthy, 60 year old. While your statement is generally correct, make sure that the bottom line is this: "I was in reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury."
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    "I was in reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury."
    Up to a point Maverick I can agree - I am in your age group, but OPFOR's reminder is salient in as much as that really has to be the bottom line.

    If I responded to a 30 year old threat who happened to be semi disabled and it was considered that my force was disparate in excess - my age of 62 would not influence a jury too much in my favor.

    I am however on average at a disadvantage with guys half my age ....... I am slower, less strength than once and for sure not able to run as far or as fast - so I could gain some points for my age/condition.

    However ........ "I was in reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury." .. still applies.
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    Becoming an old geezer doesn't automatically make you disadvantaged.
    How old would you guess Chuck Norris is?
    He's 67 and can probably still kick an apple off the top of your head.
    Age is not a 'get out of jail free' card, not across the board anyway.
    Normal laws apply, and rightly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0.02 View Post
    Becoming an old geezer doesn't automatically make you disadvantaged.
    How old would you guess Chuck Norris is?
    He's 67 and can probably still kick an apple off the top of your head.
    Age is not a 'get out of jail free' card, not across the board anyway.
    Normal laws apply, and rightly so.
    True, but, In Florida, I believe that it is a felony to physically assault a senior citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    True, but, In Florida, I believe that it is a felony to physically assault a senior citizen.

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    What if you're both Seniors?

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    While in nursing schhol I did my geriatric rotataion in a "state" nursing home. One afternoon we heard a commotion from the court yard. Turns out tha a couple of the patients got into an argument over a wine bottle than had been hidden in a flower pot and decided to settle the ownership issue by pulling revolvers from under the cushions of their wheel chairs.
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    The person I would hate to get angry is Jack La Lanne.

    93 years old and still can whup someone half is age!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0.02 View Post
    What if you're both Seniors?
    Great question. Since the statute is designed to protect seniors from assault by younger people, my best guess is that the statute would not apply. But, I will try to research the question and get back with a more definitive answer.

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    Age does matter, especially here in Florida. Be that as it may, I still want the help of an equalizer. Thus, I try to get to the Range at least once a week, practising my draw from a fanny pack, taking the safety off, putting the first DA round into an 8" target at 10 yds., and the second SA shot close to the first. I am slowly getting better at it with my Bersa Thunder .380ACP.

    I'm a 75 yo senior, not in the best shape of my life having had my right knee replaced 2 yrs. ago thus not as agile as I used to be.
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    Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    Age matters ... I'm considered more vulnerable to attack and thus I can react sooner with more force than the 30 year old.
    Only if it's true.

    CYA: Can You Articulate. If you cannot convey what you knew at the time and your justification, you're just as likely to be examined as an aggressor. You may be 60, but you may well be fit and trim and more-capable of defending yourself than the average 30yr old. Me, I'm not 60, but a bum leg/hip means I've got a lot of justification for standing my ground, as I've got few alternatives. In my situation, there's an actual, physical disparity of force that mere age doesn't necessarily impart.

    Ditto on the thoughts regarding "old age and treachery." Very useful stuff, that.

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