This is a discussion on You Won, You Also Lose? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Sig229 I thought the word Intruder would be clear as to someone is breaking IN the home. You should always be as ...
After all this is a Motorcycle and an Aviation board.
Come on man.
And in the states I have lived in, if someone broke into your house and is threatening you in anyway you have a RIGHT to use lethal force.
So how the F would that make you look like a Vigilante?
The BG has broken into your house!
If that makes you a vigilante where your from, you need to move out brother. I sure hope TX hasnt gone down the Commie state route with defense. I know they wont let you OC there anymore.
(dont get me wrong, I love TX)
Primary Carry Gun: Sig Sauer 229~R (.40cal w/ Golden Saber JHP's)
Nowhere does your statement even say that you are at home where the intruder is. What you are doing is what is refered to as "assuming facts not in evidence."
But then again, I only have fifteen years in law enforcement, ten of them training 9-1-1 operators, so what do I know? I guess I should just leave this stuff up to subject matter experts such as yourself.
I don't see how telling the 911 dispatcher that you have a gun helps in any way with this.Originally Posted by Sig229
Last edited by mcp1810; June 8th, 2007 at 09:57 PM. Reason: typo
But I can tell you that if you're holding someone at gunpoint and they don't know who-is-who, you can bet your butt that things will go south quickly. Standard procedure is to treat everyone as a BG until they have proof otherwise. Also, the direction of your gun points to where you're paying attention to. If LEOs bust through your door yelling, you naturally turn to see what's making the noise, your muzzle naturally turns to the noise as well. BANG and they don't have to worry about your firearm anymore. You don't get to tell the LEOs your description before or after they arrive, that's our job. And until a LEO on scene gives you a blatant reason to think otherwise, we're your best friend while you have that gun pointed at someone because we're the only ones that can keep that kind of thing from happening.
To answer the original question, the very first thing you should say is where you are. I always say, "I can send the world to you, I just need to know where to send them." If you're driving, start making it a habit of making a mental note of the current milepost and about how far you are away from the next one. If you're on surface streets, know which direction you're heading and the closest intersection. Because you're still moving, you also need to give updates of where you are to the dispatcher.
The second thing is to tell them what's going on... In simple, to-the-point terms. If someone is recklessly driving or trying to run you off the road, say so. Don't go into a giant story of well I was at this intersection and this guy got behind me, started honking, started trying to play bumper cars with my car... Get to the point, quickly. If you volunteer the information rather than having to be interrogated as to what information the dispatcher needs you will get help faster because we don't have to ask.
Finally, get the description of the vehicle. And that doesn't mean that you need to have the full plate. If you two are still moving and you're talking to the dispatcher on your cellphone, give a flat description (e.g. green 2 or 4 door sedan). If help is on the way let the dispatcher know where they are in relation to you (e.g. front/back) and the description of your car. When a LEO is given a description of two cars traveling together and sees it, it's just about as good as a license plate.
Remember: location (and keep it updated), what happened, description of their car and your car. That's it. We'll take care of the rest. Another good thing to give right away is a call back number (e.g. your cellphone number) because you might get disconnected. A good dispatcher will only need that little information to start people your way and will slip in the rest of the questions later in the small "lull" points like your name, home address, etc.
Example: "I'm going eastbound from This Street on That Street and there's a car behind me that's been trying to run me off the road. It's a blue mustang and I'm in a white stratus. Now we're coming up on Other Street now and it's still behind me..."
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall." Adolf Hitler
There are some very good tips on this in the NRA manuals. (NRA Guide to Personal Defense Outside the Home is the one I have. I'm sure this stuff is also in the "in the Home" version as well.)