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This is a discussion on Kelsey Smith within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; The perp looks just like the security camera photos. Turns out that the scumbag has a pretty long juvenile criminal record including an assault on ...

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    The perp looks just like the security camera photos. Turns out that the scumbag has a pretty long juvenile criminal record including an assault on the 15 year old daughter of the family who adopted him.

    This was a crime of opportunity. Scumbags like this guy troll for vulnerable victims.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Situational Awareness was her first weapon!If she had screamed, fought back with every fiber of her being at the moment he grabbed her, she more than likely could have broke loose and ran!
    This reminded me of a recent (in the last week or two) situation near Columbus OH where a 6 year-old girl was on the swing set in her own backyard and was attacked by two teenagers - one 18 yrs old and one 19 yrs old.

    She put up a fight kicking and screaming for all she was worth and the BGS fled.

    You can't teach 'em too young to YELL AND FIGHT BACK!
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    I wonder what she could have done if the guy had a Taser. Probably nothing, and in that instance only SA could have helped her - she would have noticed the guy rushing from behind, hiding behind a car, staring at her, whatever. Of course, in broad daylight in a crowded area, how can you impress upon a young, naive girl that she needs to maintain constant SA?

    That being said, if he didn't have a Taser or some other way to instantly immobilize her, I don't understand how he managed to get away with this. There are multiple stoplights and various other opportunities to escape the vehicle. The only thing that makes sense to me are either 1) he physically immobilized her (blackjack, Taser, etc) or 2) sheep mentality, ie, frozen by fear and the thought 'This can't happen to me'.

    If I ever have a daughter, she is getting a can of mace as soon as I feel she is old enough to be responsible with it. I don't care how old the law says you have to be before you can defend yourself with mace or a taser, I'm not going to allow her to walk around defenseless.

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    If I ever have a daughter, she is getting a can of mace as soon as I feel she is old enough to be responsible with it. I don't care how old the law says you have to be before you can defend yourself with mace or a taser, I'm not going to allow her to walk around defenseless.

    It takes more than that.....teach her tactics and to be aware of her surroundings also. Send her to be taught about how to defend herself without the mace or taser. Be sure she sees the entire world and not just the safety of home. Times are rough for everyone, but especially young girls and women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post

    It takes more than that.....teach her tactics and to be aware of her surroundings also. Send her to be taught about how to defend herself without the mace or taser. Be sure she sees the entire world and not just the safety of home. Times are rough for everyone, but especially young girls and women.
    My daughter is 18 months old...and has started mimicing her older brother when he goes to Tae Kwon Do class..and when she's old enough for a class, she'll be going as well.

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    I have three daughters, so things like this give me gray hair even though they are trained and aware!
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    Sadly, another girl, a 17 year old, disappeared from the same area before Kelsey was kidnapped. Saw her parents interviewed on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Obviously, she was not sufficiently aware of her surroundings either in the parking lot or the store.
    Just like probably 99.9% of the public.

    No one teaches people to be aware. People don't see the need - because they're lulled into thinking that the police are somehow watching everyone's every move. It's self-deception coupled with denial that enables people to tell themselves that they're protected even when they see there's no protection around, and when they see crime victim after crime victim on the news. And yet, they still do nothing proactive for their own defense. Even if they won't carry a weapon, they don't even keep their eyes open.

    So it really comes down to two measures of defense. First, to be completely aware of the surroundings and if she realized this BG was tailing her in the store to have store security walk her out (although in daytime it might seem strange.)

    Store security? What a joke. I think that anyone who thinks they're being followed by some sort of predator should call the POLICE for that escort. You want to hang your life on some pimply faced 22-year-old GED recipient in a cheap blue uniform with a square badge and no gun? Puhlease.

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    A 2.5-3" fixed blade, midline under her shirt, or appendix IWB could have made her a less palatable target, but that presumes more than her experiences would indicate. -Rob72
    Oh, how I would have RELISHED a news story of Kelsey Smith slicing the crap out of this putrid maggot. What a delight to see this perverted sicko grab her only to have his expression change to horror as she slices him open. One moment before, his evil and disgusting fantasies were about to be fulfilled; now he is bleeding out on the pavement and trying to gather his intestines! The only thing more enjoyable than hearing about that would be if I was there to put a pair of bullets in him. Or three, or four. And it might not be such a quick death - shot placement might be a little off, oops.

    What this country needs right now is a return to hangings. We need to catch these sickos, convict them, and then quickly hang them in the square. And none of this neck-snappery. Sit 'em on a horse and then give it slap on the butt, so they kick for a few minutes. I am 110% serious. Instead, we treat them to comfortable prison cells for a few years, then probation. Or if they are really, really naughty, we quietly put them to sleep. If these ******** knew that trying this crap with our children got them nothing but a dance from the yardarm, they would be much less inclined to fulfill their sick cravings. But instead we give them a choice between possibly getting away with it, or spending 25 years in prison. When a person is sick enough to commit such an evil crime, nothing less than a horrid death will sway their minds from this. A life in prison is not enough to pull them away from the edge, and perhaps even death by injection is not enough, especially considering how few people ultimately qualify for the death penalty - that is, if they live in a state with the death penalty. I've heard that addiction to pornography is medically similar to addiction to heroine...how much worse can it be for a rapist or child molester? And you think a few years in prison is going to stop them from trying to get their 'fix'? HANG THEM until the rest get the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby Hulk View Post
    This reminded me of a recent (in the last week or two) situation near Columbus OH where a 6 year-old girl was on the swing set in her own backyard and was attacked by two teenagers - one 18 yrs old and one 19 yrs old.

    She put up a fight kicking and screaming for all she was worth and the BGS fled.

    You can't teach 'em too young to YELL AND FIGHT BACK!
    Which is why my daughter (almost the same age) is NEVER allowed to play outside unsupervised.

    She's my only one and I will die to protect her. Literally.

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    Sounds like there's no substitute for OC spray or mace in such a situation. How probable is it that the BG used the elements of surprise, violence of force, and then threat (with knife or handgun) to compel the victim to comply? Push the person into the car and you disorient them. Show weapon and threaten, and you've mentally subdued them. Then bind them up, and you've physically subdued them. Drive away keeping them low, both with physical binding and threat of force.

    I think there might be a few more options than the standard ones being offered to counter this kind of BG.

    For any person (not just a gal) who might be vulnerable, if a BG uses this method of pushing you into the car when you're about to get in anyways, maybe consider diving across the front seat and opening the opposite door, diving out onto the pavement, regaining your footing and running, crouched, right back to the storefront.

    Carrying OC/mace and also a good, sharp, concealed knife is absolutely important for this kind of situation - possibly more so than a handgun. But, knowing that the BG might be immediately following up the push/shove-into-car with a brandishing of his weapon and threat of violence -- diving across the seat to escape is best. Better to be shot at while escaping than to be subdued and helpless. And the dive across the seat can be accompanied with spraying a cloud of OC/mace behind you to hamper the BG from a prolonged grab-at-you struggle.

    Diving into the other seat can also be followed with as much kicking in the opposite direction as possible -- as the BG will certainly try to grab at the victim to prevent escape.

    Last thing might be conceal extra knife and OC/mace in the glove compartment. As the victim enters a car, if the BG plays his cards right, he can so disorient a victim that they might drop keys/mace and lose capacity to grab for a knife carried on their person. Once pushed into the car, diving across and making a lunge at the door is option 1. Then if BG catches you before you get your opposite door open, just open up the glove box -- reach for the mace first and spray a cloud behind you (while kicking at the BG). If that deters the BG or at least stuns/stalls him, then grab the opposite door and get out (screaming, of course). If BG doesn't let go, grab the knife in the glove box and unsheath it. Keep kicking, use the knife only if BG gets close enough to midriff / waist. Otherwise, keep stretching for the door and screaming.

    Gun in the glovebox would definitely be useful for any wife/daughter with mental toughness and quick enough reflexes to use it -- dive across front seat, open glove box, grab weapon, point back at BG, if he doesn't run, be ready to shoot. Although be sure to check laws in locality to make sure not to shoot prematurely and without justification. And a good defense is good to think out before hand so as to be able to explain why there was a perceived/actual imminent danger of severe bodily harm/death.

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    Does anyone know the age limits on being allowed to carry mace or pepper spray?

    I believe here in Tennessee, you have to take a class on the use of it before you can legally carry it, and that is for adults. So I would imagine kids are not allowed at all.

    I will have to check into that as I have a daughter who is 12. I'll get her some if it is legal.
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