Had to draw, but that ended it...

This is a discussion on Had to draw, but that ended it... within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by ExSoldier How'd it feel putting that little P3AT up against a shottie? Make you wish you'd carried a 1911 that day? I ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    How'd it feel putting that little P3AT up against a shottie? Make you wish you'd carried a 1911 that day? I know that's how I would feel if I had the same issue and was wearing my "little" M642 Smith instead of my Sig P245. The 642 is strictly mugger medicine. I know I'll rue the day if ever I get mixed up in something like you handled (quite well, too!) and I've got a snubbie. A .380 would likely induce a post event coronary in me. What did the other manager have? Just out of curiosity? Did the BIG BOSSES get wind of this? How did THEY react?
    Marksmanship trumps caliber every time.

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    Ummmm sorta.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Wessonfan View Post
    Marksmanship trumps caliber every time.
    Easy to say. But actually using a mousegun caliber in the face of a shottie loaded with 0-0 Buck isn't going to lend accuracy to the defender. It's not going to be accurate at any sort of stand-off range either. At short range the shottie can cut you near in half. At longer range even one pellet of 0-0 Buck can kill you dead (00=.36 cal) and that little 380 ain't gettin' any more powerful or accurate while your heart is racing like it's the Indy 500! Let's put it this way: Given the choice I will take the shotgun over the mousegun everytime and not look back.... against ANYBODY.
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    good job!!!!
    too bad we won't see this on Fox or CNN tonight since he didn't shoot anybody
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    Well done and it also shows why i try real hard to make my pm9 the absolute floor on a ccw gun . Good sights and accurate for its size . It is a great confidence builder when i am limited to deep cover carry .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Easy to say. But actually using a mousegun caliber in the face of a shottie loaded with 0-0 Buck isn't going to lend accuracy to the defender. It's not going to be accurate at any sort of stand-off range either. At short range the shottie can cut you near in half. At longer range even one pellet of 0-0 Buck can kill you dead (00=.36 cal) and that little 380 ain't gettin' any more powerful or accurate while your heart is racing like it's the Indy 500! Let's put it this way: Given the choice I will take the shotgun over the mousegun everytime and not look back.... against ANYBODY.
    If I have cover available, I will make a 25 yard CoM shot with a snub nose 100% of the time.

    If I had the choice of what to use when going against a shotgun-wielding foe, I would take a rifle and end the fight before I am ever inside his range.

    In fact, I would take an AR15 carbine over a shotgun 100% of the time for any fight from contact to 300 yards.

    I also carry the handgun that is practical for me to carry 99% of the time rather than the one that tends to get left behind because it is a PITA to carry.

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    Rapid-fire, my groups from J-frames, PPKs, TPHs, and Sig P232s are a bit smaller than the firearm, at 25 yards. They are certainly useful at range, if you have sufficiently practiced with them.

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    too bad there won't be an article or newscast of "Man saves Hundreds of employees with his concealed weapon"

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    I would have really wanted a larger gun, both of caliber and physical size, after it was all finished. I'm glad everything turned out alright for you.

    I hope that if something like this happens to me one day, that I will naturally understand the threat and act appropriately, as you did.

    Congratulations on a job well done.

    I'm also curious about some of the questions ex soldier asked above.
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    Great story Pete!
    I'm glad you survived.

    It' s just too bad this incident would not be included in the Brady campaign stats only because you did in fact avert a tragedy rather than become a statistic of workplace assault & crime,by the hand of a crazy man, with a gun.

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    Excellent !!! Your permit certainly paid off and you have a viable arguement against any anti that confronts you. Seems they think no one has the right to carry unless something has happened to them directly.
    You told us what you were carrying, what other size barrel was this guy looking down??

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    Good stuff, incredipete. It's much nicer reading your post then the normal "disgruntled employee kills XX people" headline we normally see. Good thing you weren't in a "criminal empowerment zone" and were authorized to carry.
    I agree 100%

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    Excellent work, buy yourself and your friend a beer and celebrate the lives you saved, including the ex-employee's! Seem like a good story for the NRA to hear about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    My hat's off to you and your co-worker, a job very well done!
    Me too

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    Wink Not arguing with YOU....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Wessonfan View Post
    If I have cover available, I will make a 25 yard CoM shot with a snub nose 100% of the time.

    If I had the choice of what to use when going against a shotgun-wielding foe, I would take a rifle and end the fight before I am ever inside his range.

    In fact, I would take an AR15 carbine over a shotgun 100% of the time for any fight from contact to 300 yards.

    I also carry the handgun that is practical for me to carry 99% of the time rather than the one that tends to get left behind because it is a PITA to carry.
    Making the shot at 25 yards is excellent. Can you do it in a cloud of "shot?" I'm not arguing with you. Not really. I have to agree on every point. I'm really arguing with myself. See I carry the M642 in a pocket holster for exactly the reason that my Sig P245 IS a PITA to carry in the summertime! I feel 100% comfortable with that in the street defense situation. As I said, it's "mugger medicine."

    That said, like you if I knew in advance I'd be facing a shottie I....well I wouldn't BE there to start with! But yeah, give me an AR or an M1A SOCOM any day.

    But lacking that...in the real world, I need to reconcile my personal comfort levels with the threat. Real and perceived. I may not be able to do this. A soggy muggy summer in South Florida tends to suck the life out of me. One reason I can't WAIT to retire and move!

    When I leave my area, when I go out of the county I'm ALWAYS armed with something bigger. Close to home it's usually the 642. That's my reality. I guess I'll stick with it, but stories like this DO set me to thinkin'!
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    Pete... I would say if your boss is gonna keep firing people like that, he should keep a "company" long gun in a locker at the office!

    You did an OUTSTANDING job today and believe it or not, you and your partner saved some lives today!

    Btw... Just curious... What weapon did your buddy have with him for this event?


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