A 'what if' started to play out for me tonight

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    A 'what if' started to play out for me tonight

    What a night.

    I'm off tonight, but, I had to drop by the shop, just after close, to block myspace from the office computer... Freakin kids. Since I'm there, I send the driver home, I'll wait on the Mgr to be ready to leave, and, escort him to the bank.

    I finish up, and we go up front to grab a pop for the road, and we notice a pickup sitting nearby (almost the only one in the lot) with it's lights on... Then, we take off for the bank. The pickup leaves as we do, and, winds up getting between us on the way out of our lot...

    So, we reach the bank's shopping center, and, the pickup turns with him. I'm starting to play the 'if' game now. 'If he turns into the bank, I'll stop outside of the lot, and observe.'

    Well, he doesen't pull into the bank behind my mgr.... He SUDDENLY turns into the exit, and wrong-ways it into the ATM lane, where the night drop box is, too. Screeches to a stop in front of the ATM, completely blocking the lane. I stop, where I am, in the pseudo-road, sort of catty-corner to the bank, if that makes any sense... The Mgr had to pass the exit to get to the entrance, so, he didn't see this...

    It all becomes automated from here, at least, it felt like it was. I keep up the 'if' routine.

    'If he gets out, I get out.'

    His door opens, and I hop out, and wait a second. This is about the time, that my Mgr. Pulls around, and, stops right in front of the guy, maybe a car length away. Just sits there, like there's nothing wrong with the situation....

    'If he has a weapon, I draw.'

    He heads for either the ATM of my Mgr's car (both were in the same direction), and, He's got something in his hand! :( I couldn't tell what it was immediately, so, I turned my sidearm-side away, uncovered, and put my hand around the grip. At this point, this would have to look GREAT to a passing LEO... :( I took a few steps in their direction....

    Thank god! He's got a black deposit bag (I swear, it looked like it could have been a gun at first...). Re-covered, and, returned to the car (parked sorta diagonally blocking the shopping center road, lol!), and, moved to the lot across the street.

    We musta scared the bejesus out of him, cause he peeled out into R, spun a bit to turn around, and peeled out again out of the lot! He musta worked at the restaurant at the other end of the strip from us.. I know, it scared the bejesus out of me. Pulled up opposite to the Mgr. after he left, and told him next time, I want him to call 911, and, leave immediately, and we'll meet up at the shop. Heck, he thought it was funny. "I saw you get out, you were getting ready to do something, weren't you" He laughed... Then got serious. "Thanks, for following me to the bank." (I'm one of two people, who'll follow the Mgr. to the bank at close.... The rest just leave w/o thinking about it...)

    It's weird, how this stuff felt automatic. I play the 'what if' game too much, I spose. I always play the 'what if' game, but, until tonight, I guess it never sunk in... How useful it can be, or, possibly, that I might actually have to use it, without any warning. It sounds like a long series of events, but, it all probably was over and done with (at the bank) w/in 45-60 seconds.... Felt like forever, however...

    Frankly, if the Mgr. had left, I would have, too. He's a good friend, however. Some people are just stuck on white...

    Part of me, thinks I WAY over-reacted, and, part of me, thinks that I WAY under-reacted. I spose, since everyone walked away, and, no one's facing charges, I did just right....

    I really wish I'd remembered my cell, and just called the Mgr, when I noticed that he was going the same way as us, to take the back way in... I've gotta start taking my cell with me :(

    Actually, in hindsight, I can think of a whole host of things that I shoulda done....

    I still don't get why he decided to pull in the wrong way like that! :( I guess he was trying to beat the other guy to the ATM lane?

    I think, that tonight will be our last night bank run....

    Anyhoo, thought I'd share.
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    Well what you did seems to me what I would have done.

    Its actually good heads up for me as I am preparing to start doing these drops as well. But have also been looking at just having the Brinks/Bank Trucks do it for me.

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    PgSqlQuery,

    Now you know one of the benefits of playing "what if" in your mind. I think your reaction was appropriate, though I'm unclear what distance you were from the deposit site.

    Having a 2nd vehicle follow to the bank is good security. Having cell phone/radio link is better, especially if there is anything "hinky" going on.


    One of the problems, and you noted it, is assumptions and pre-conceived ideas when something starts happening ... I swear, it looked like it could have been a gun at first. You stayed calm and identified it correctly (hopefully before he put it in the deposit door).

    Had it been a gun or other possible weapon, what would you have done? Have you reviewed this with your manager as to what HE should have done had the other guy started approaching him?
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    Nothing wrong with 'what if's'...it means that you are very cognizant of your surroundings and that will help to keep you safe!

    Stay armed...stay alert...stay safe!

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    I had to read it twice to fully understand the picture you're painting but it seems to me your thoughts, actions, and reactions were on point.
    Your mgr. is lucky to have you around.

    The only comment I'd like to add is just because the very sketchy action other guy happened to have a deposit bag in hand doesn't mean he's not a potential hyena. That bag for all one might know could be a ruse and his intent could have been exactly what your spidey senses were indicating. Trust your gut.

    Thank goodness this time nothing happened in the end.

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    Good job! and Jang had a very good point about ruses...

    Also I might think about making a "Protocol/Policy" for employee's making night deposits in the future!

    Stay safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PgSqlQuery View Post
    Well, he doesen't pull into the bank behind my mgr.... He SUDDENLY turns into the exit, and wrong-ways it into the ATM lane, where the night drop box is, too. Screeches to a stop in front of the ATM, completely blocking the lane.
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    We musta scared the bejesus out of him, cause he peeled out into R, spun a bit to turn around, and peeled out again out of the lot! He musta worked at the restaurant at the other end of the strip from us.
    Sounds like you need to have a talk with his boss about his aggressive driving on company business, and exactly how something like this could get him shot. (possibly even justifiably depending on how much credence a jury would give your initial impression of the black bag being a gun)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd5nrh View Post
    Sounds like you need to have a talk with his boss about his aggressive driving on company business, and exactly how something like this could get him shot. (possibly even justifiably depending on how much credence a jury would give your initial impression of the black bag being a gun)
    I think reading and comprehension own you.

    Well, he doesen't pull into the bank behind my mgr.... He SUDDENLY turns into the exit, and wrong-ways it into the ATM lane, where the night drop box is, too.
    The Manager was not the one driving like an idiot. The guy he was worried about was.
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    This is situational crisis management in ACTION. BRAVO for being a critical thinker in a life situation. What a great role model you are for your children and others.
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    I'm glad your "what-if" situation turned out well, ever since I started carrying I've found myself doing it much more than I used to..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Good job! and Jang had a very good point about ruses...

    Also I might think about making a "Protocol/Policy" for employee's making night deposits in the future!

    Stay safe!
    Yep, changed it today!

    No more night deposits :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    I had to read it twice to fully understand the picture you're painting but it seems to me your thoughts, actions, and reactions were on point.
    Your mgr. is lucky to have you around.

    The only comment I'd like to add is just because the very sketchy action other guy happened to have a deposit bag in hand doesn't mean he's not a potential hyena. That bag for all one might know could be a ruse and his intent could have been exactly what your spidey senses were indicating. Trust your gut.

    Thank goodness this time nothing happened in the end.

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    You know, I hadn't thought about that!

    Very good point, thanks! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    This is situational crisis management in ACTION. BRAVO for being a critical thinker in a life situation. What a great role model you are for your children and others.
    Thank you! :)
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    "what if" situations are something that everyone should think about. It's was seperates people like us from people who don't and then go into a panic mode when something critical does happen.

    It also shows the potential BG's that you already have a plan of action as events unfold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lochinver View Post
    It also shows the potential BG's that you already have a plan of action as events unfold.

    +1 on that!
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