Connecticut murders and FoxNews.

Connecticut murders and FoxNews.

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    Connecticut murders and FoxNews.

    This is in conjunction to the tragedy that befell the Connecticut family last week.

    Ron Wheeler is a contributor to Fox News as a law enforcement analyist if you will. He is a retired D.C. homicide dectective if memory serves. I just saw his take on what people should and should not do in the event of a home invasion, and it sent me on a tirade.

    His recommendations are the same things that law enforcement has been calling for for years:
    • Obey/Co-operate with assailants.
    • Create a "You will survive" mindset.
    • Remain calm.
    • Bring attention to yourself.
    • Don't try to be a hero.
    • Don't try to grab the knife or gun.
    • Establish an "Oral Contract" with the assailant (ie: I will give you what you want, just don't hurt me (anyone)).
    • Start a conversation about children.
    • Don't look them (the bad guy) in the eye.


    The one thing I heard them say that isn't as common place is a gun is "a good idea", but little mention of proper training.

    Follows is a cut and paste of what I just sent FoxNews Fox and Friends as a retort. I don't expect a reply from them or Mr. Wheeler:

    I just saw the Ron Wheeler segment and can't be more aggrivated than I am right now. For years the offical mantra of law enforcement at every level has been to cooperate and give the bad guy what he wants, however, the family in Connecticut did just that and the only one to survive was the father. The ladies of the house did not fair so well. It is sad and tragic, but is becoming more common place with the criminal intent.

    These two thugs are being charged with arson, kidnapping, sexual assault and murder. Seems like giving the bad guy what they want works out pretty well.

    A better choice in home protection would be two alarm systems: One monitored electronic one, a four legged furry one, a cellular phone (or multiple) that is/are fully charged, firearms (at the least of a handgun, but a shotgun should also be on the list) and training with them and the will to use them to survive, and a plan for the family.

    The ages that this latest batch of victims were was certainly old enough to have had some established plan as to where to go and what to do in the event of a home invasion. I am already begining to teach my three year old what to do, and will do the same with my one year old when she is old enough to understand. My wife knows exactly what to do. We have been over it enough times that she rolls her eyes anytime we talk about this subject.

    Mr. Wheeler and the rest of the law enforcement community need to get on board with the program. Criminals are getting more and more violent. The only thing that violence understands is a greater force and preparation. I would be willing to bet that Mr. Wheeler has everything that I listed above, in his home, prepped and ready. He has the equipment in place to defend his family and home, but prays every night and day that the need never manifests its self.

    It takes more than a will to survive to survive. It takes the will to survive and the means to do so in order to survuve an ordeal such as this.

    My sympathies to the Petit and Hawke families. I hope that the rest of America can see this event and understand that this can come to their doorstep next. I also hope that America can see through the smoke screen set up by law enforcement agencies nationwide.

    I know that this is the same thing that most of us here feel, so I am not saying anything new. I just had to vent a little more, and figured I could get away with preaching to the choir for a minute or two more.
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    That's a decent letter. You might want to spend a little more time grammar/spell-checking the next one though. I spotted a couple.

    I see your frustration that they are pushing the submit & wait to die mentality and didn't mention some of the effective tools every homeowner should have. If you look beyond the bad suggestions, though, he does have a couple of good ones.

    Obey/Co-operate with assailants.
    This one's just crap. 'nuff said.
    Create a "You will survive" mindset.
    This one, though, is probably the most important. You can have all the tools in the world, but if you curl up into a little ball and wait to die, they do you no good.
    Remain calm.
    This is good advice, however hard it might be
    Bring attention to yourself.
    I don't know about this one. I guess it's supposed to "humaize" you to the BG, but I think I would rather not stand out until he's looking down the muzzle of my pistol.
    Don't try to be a hero.
    I'm going to modify this to be interpreted as "protect you and yours"
    Don't try to grab the knife or gun.
    This is probably good advice. Unless you're very competant in H2H weapon defenses, you'll probably get stuck or shot. Better to procure a weapon of your own
    Establish an "Oral Contract" with the assailant (ie: I will give you what you want, just don't hurt me (anyone)).
    If by that, he means "lie to him", I'm all for it. Anything you can do to enhance the element of surprise can't be bad
    Start a conversation about children.
    I don't know where this one even came from
    Don't look them (the bad guy) in the eye.
    Along the same lines as "lie to him", if you are a hostage and appear submissive without actually being submissive, he may pay less attention to you.

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    I don't understand why the 'official' advice is always to Cooperate / Don't be a hero.

    I have heard many news reports or accounts where someone, a news caster, a 'witness' or even a 'security expert' said "Something must have gone wrong."

    The BG's in this tell brought gasoline with them... nothing went wrong. There plan from the beginning (just a guess of course) was to kill the family and burn the house, leaving no evidence and no witness.

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    The only conversaqtion I want to have with a home invader is to tell the 911 operator is that the 1911 operation worked as planned and they need to send some help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacon51 View Post
    I don't understand why the 'official' advice is always to Cooperate / Don't be a hero...
    Because doing the opposite in offering a suggestion might result in persons coming back after them personally (or the police dept. itself when applicable) with a law suit.
    If the cops on TV and/or 'expert advisors' were to say fight like a fisher cat and attack first etc. and some person or in this case family died as a result of their advice you can bet somebody would sue.

    It's a sad sate of affairs but the courts and fear of them now today dictate our own security and even in cases common sense.

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    You have that exactly correct Jang!

    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Because doing the opposite in offering a suggestion might result in persons coming back after them personally (or the police dept. itself when applicable) with a law suit.
    If the cops on TV and/or 'expert advisors' were to say fight like a fisher cat and attack first etc. and some person or in this case family died as a result of their advice you can bet somebody would sue.

    It's a sad sate of affairs but the courts and fear of them now today dictate our own security and even in cases common sense.

    - Janq
    Not to mention the family of the BG. They would sue also. I have said it before and I will say it again, attorneys are destroying this country.
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    Yep ^^ :(

    - Janq
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    They Never want to say... Fight back with everything you have / have a plan and practice your plan / have the tools to defend yourself with!

    Yet they know the FBI statistics overwhelmingly show that "Those who fight back stand a better chance than those who submit!"

    But they are afraid of LIABILITY because they can not gurantee that if you fight back you will survive. And no one can gurantee that!

    So they would rather give tepid, lame advise at the community's peril in order to protect "themselves" from possible liability!

    And that is amoral in my book!
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    After reading Ron Wheeler's plan I grabbed a beer and said some bad words.Guess I am just a redneck,not smart like Mr.Wheeler.

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    he's a product of D.C., that makes him lose all credibility before even getting to open his mouth.
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    I have 1 rule for home invasions.....survive by ANY means..ok 2 rules..the 2nd being:make sure the BG(or BG's)don't survive.If they just want your stuff,they would wait till you're gone...if they are coming in while you're home,they have other intentions.
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    Yes...EXACTLY...

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyB View Post
    I have 1 rule for home invasions.....survive by ANY means..ok 2 rules..the 2nd being:make sure the BG(or BG's)don't survive.If they just want your stuff,they would wait till you're gone...if they are coming in while you're home,they have other intentions.


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