August 20th, 2007 11:01 AM
At the risk of sounding like a soothsayer, I don't see a long life for MikeP1230 with an attitide like this.
August 20th, 2007 11:10 PM
i really think you should re-read what you posted and then the following posts afterwards, ...back up and rethink the situation. i'm not "hating" or getting into a "******* contest" (in fact most here never really do), but your defining the word naive and it's only going to hurt you.
Originally Posted by mikep1230
What's this button do?
August 21st, 2007 10:23 AM
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
August 21st, 2007 05:02 PM
Inspite of my Dirty Harry rip off above.
If perp is inside approx 25 ft (he's currently advancing and threatened both verbally and with a weapon) --> raise to to 2 handed extended point-shoot position, both eyes open, 2 quick rounds center mass and quickly more as needed till doofus dude stops.
Concurrent loud verbal warning if your brain can work that way at the time.
August 21st, 2007 05:24 PM
what if the person is a master knife thrower? you'd be SOL!
August 22nd, 2007 07:46 PM
A lot would depend on which gun I'm carrying. If it's the Airweight, I don't have enough ammo to waste on warnings--If his eyes are good enough to look into the cylinder from beyond Tuller distances, he's welcome to check visually.
If it was the XD and I had both ammo and distance to "waste", it would depend on the exact circumstances. If he isn't too close, I'd be willing to take some extra risk to avoid having to shoot someone. Unless there was a known good backstop in just the right place, racking the slide is more likely than a warning shot to "prove" it is loaded.
August 23rd, 2007 12:11 AM
Josh... Can we have the what happened now
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
-James Earl Jones
August 23rd, 2007 01:38 AM
August 23rd, 2007 02:56 PM
I guess I would have to prove him wrong.
August 24th, 2007 11:13 AM
+1 BANG=HOLE IN FACE
Originally Posted by limatunes
do what you can with what you have where you are at (theodore roosevelt)
August 24th, 2007 11:54 PM
woah... obviously I'm not *that* frequent of a reader here, so I hadn't yet seen the responses to my post. I'm curious about (and again, disagree with) some of the responses though.
This is a good one to kick things off with. If you read it, you'll know that my post can be summed up to: "don't try to argue with him, it'll get you nowhere; don't try to prove him wrong, you're creating more of a risk than benefit; just deal with the threat." Which part are you thinking puts me at additional risk?
Originally Posted by horseman78164
Same thing: I'm unclear which part of my statement you're taking as naive or likely to get me hurt.
Originally Posted by downrange
Actually, you do have some idea of what's going through his head. That's what all the psychologists visiting criminals in jail are up to. Read some of the papers they write; understanding the other guy may help you someday.
Originally Posted by KenpoTex
And, to repeat myself yet again, my primary point was *just deal with the threat*. The rest of my post was just explaining why it's a bad idea to complicate things.
I noticed others said the same thing I already had: warning shots aren't a good idea: they distract you, create legal concerns, add a risk for complications, and don't gain you much. The reason I'm bringing it up again is I wanted to throw in a slight clarification: military personnel are trained *not* to fire warning shots. I'd imagine the same of police, but I don't speak from experience in that case.
Originally Posted by downrange
August 25th, 2007 05:52 PM
Reading most of 11 pages helps me realize that:
I'm not Teddy Kennedy, . . . so I can't invite him for a ride in my car back to Chappaquiddick, . . . so we can discuss the merits of his perceived need to rob when there are so many good public programs that will pay him to learn to be a better citizen.
I'm not Sarah Brady, . . . so I cannot form another public service organization aimed at preventing mass murders by deranged and psychotic knife weilders.
I'm not Nancy Pelozi, . . . so there is no political gain to be made by quickly calling a press conference to deride the evils of being cut up with a knife.
I'm also neither Rev. Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton, . . . so I can't race bait this affront.
No, . . . I'm just a 62 year old, geezer, VietNam vet, . . . with a bum knee, some ticker problems, a 1911 (carrying a total of 25 rounds of 230 grain ball), . . . and a distinct aversion to scumballs offering to cut me for free. While the surgeons always charge exorbitant fees, . . . but they gimme goofy juice first so it don't hurt.
Nahh, . . . this dude's visual warning is my right hand reaching, . . . and his auditory warning is the safety going off. Ask him later, . . . he will be qualified to answer the age old question: "Do you really hear the sound of the round that takes you out?" Course, . . . if he doesn't fall fast enough, . . . he may hear my slide lock and the sound of reloading while he is on the ground bleeding out.
May God bless,
If you can breathe, . . . thank God.
If you can read, . . . than a teacher.
If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a veteran.
August 25th, 2007 10:31 PM
From another 'elder'...I might verbally add "Get the (insert your own superlative here) back!" to the aforementioned (safety click sound) scenario...but I'm with you! For these old bones, what doesn't hurt, doesn't work, and I'm not in a position to be wrestling around on the ground any more.
Originally Posted by Dwight55
Leave me alone, I'll apologize for something not my fault if I have to...but continue the assault and I will act quickly and violently.
OMO...yours may vary...
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August 26th, 2007 02:50 AM
Here is what caught my eye.
"I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with many of the suggestions posted here. A lot of them are either just trying to escalate the ******* contest, or trying to get too fancy.
In most cases, the guy who comes up to you on the street and demands your money is greedy and stupid... but not completely brain-dead. That's why pulling your gun (compared to his knife) usually ends the conflict immediately. The problem is with the guys who are actualy looking for an ego boost: they don't want your money so much as they want to prove that they can control other people (remember the bully in 2nd grade?). That's the type that will see your weapon as a personal challenge, and will respond instinctively with a comment aimed at knocking you down a notch: "it's not loaded." The problem here is their actions are based on ego, and not the brain: that's why you will *never* win this type of fight. Trying to prove that you're stronger than they are ("my gun *is* loaded, and my [blank] *is* bigger") just continues to increase the stakes until they run out of words and have no choice but to physically attack. And while the odds of surviving are in your favor, I think we're all aware of the consequences of such a victory.
Deflect the comment or, better yet, just ignore it. Continue responding to the threat the way you would if they hadn't said anything."
It seems you want to mentally put them on a couch and find out what makes them "tick". Who cares? You are faced with a threatening thug with a blade...he either turns away and runs or gets shot.
I have read many of the books on criminal mind....for years. One thing I have learned is that you can't count on what a thug will do.
I would never turn my back on a threat like that and if anyone did...they would be stupid. No warning shot.....warning shots do come down if shot in the air and can bounce if shot in concret. No conversation....waste of time. I would shoot him....center mass. It is not a ******* contest with me...it is life or death....his or mine.
As a woman who has limited mobility....I know in court disparagy of force would be my shield. So it seems what most people disagree with you about is the "study in psychology" you seem to be promoting.
A woman must not depend on protection by men. A woman must learn to protect herself.
Susan B. Anthony
A armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one has to back it up with his life.
August 30th, 2007 06:44 PM
Seems to me that is exactly what mike1230 said. He was just a bit more verbose, which seems to me to have confused a lot of people.
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