This is a discussion on Scenario: "That Gun Ain't Loaded!" within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; At the risk of sounding like a soothsayer, I don't see a long life for MikeP1230 with an attitide like this....
At the risk of sounding like a soothsayer, I don't see a long life for MikeP1230 with an attitide like this.
What's this button do?
Inspite of my Dirty Harry rip off above.
If perp is inside approx 25 ft (he's currently advancing and threatened both verbally and with a weapon) --> raise to to 2 handed extended point-shoot position, both eyes open, 2 quick rounds center mass and quickly more as needed till doofus dude stops.
Concurrent loud verbal warning if your brain can work that way at the time.
Old Testament....Shooting to Live 1942
Newer Testament... Kill or Get Killed 1976/1987
what if the person is a master knife thrower? you'd be SOL!
A lot would depend on which gun I'm carrying. If it's the Airweight, I don't have enough ammo to waste on warnings--If his eyes are good enough to look into the cylinder from beyond Tuller distances, he's welcome to check visually.
If it was the XD and I had both ammo and distance to "waste", it would depend on the exact circumstances. If he isn't too close, I'd be willing to take some extra risk to avoid having to shoot someone. Unless there was a known good backstop in just the right place, racking the slide is more likely than a warning shot to "prove" it is loaded.
Josh... Can we have the what happened now
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
-James Earl Jones
I guess I would have to prove him wrong.
woah... obviously I'm not *that* frequent of a reader here, so I hadn't yet seen the responses to my post. I'm curious about (and again, disagree with) some of the responses though.
And, to repeat myself yet again, my primary point was *just deal with the threat*. The rest of my post was just explaining why it's a bad idea to complicate things.
Reading most of 11 pages helps me realize that:
I'm not Teddy Kennedy, . . . so I can't invite him for a ride in my car back to Chappaquiddick, . . . so we can discuss the merits of his perceived need to rob when there are so many good public programs that will pay him to learn to be a better citizen.
I'm not Sarah Brady, . . . so I cannot form another public service organization aimed at preventing mass murders by deranged and psychotic knife weilders.
I'm not Nancy Pelozi, . . . so there is no political gain to be made by quickly calling a press conference to deride the evils of being cut up with a knife.
I'm also neither Rev. Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton, . . . so I can't race bait this affront.
No, . . . I'm just a 62 year old, geezer, VietNam vet, . . . with a bum knee, some ticker problems, a 1911 (carrying a total of 25 rounds of 230 grain ball), . . . and a distinct aversion to scumballs offering to cut me for free. While the surgeons always charge exorbitant fees, . . . but they gimme goofy juice first so it don't hurt.
Nahh, . . . this dude's visual warning is my right hand reaching, . . . and his auditory warning is the safety going off. Ask him later, . . . he will be qualified to answer the age old question: "Do you really hear the sound of the round that takes you out?" Course, . . . if he doesn't fall fast enough, . . . he may hear my slide lock and the sound of reloading while he is on the ground bleeding out.
May God bless,
If you can breathe, . . . thank God.
If you can read, . . . than a teacher.
If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a veteran.
Leave me alone, I'll apologize for something not my fault if I have to...but continue the assault and I will act quickly and violently.
OMO...yours may vary...
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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Here is what caught my eye.
"I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with many of the suggestions posted here. A lot of them are either just trying to escalate the ******* contest, or trying to get too fancy.
In most cases, the guy who comes up to you on the street and demands your money is greedy and stupid... but not completely brain-dead. That's why pulling your gun (compared to his knife) usually ends the conflict immediately. The problem is with the guys who are actualy looking for an ego boost: they don't want your money so much as they want to prove that they can control other people (remember the bully in 2nd grade?). That's the type that will see your weapon as a personal challenge, and will respond instinctively with a comment aimed at knocking you down a notch: "it's not loaded." The problem here is their actions are based on ego, and not the brain: that's why you will *never* win this type of fight. Trying to prove that you're stronger than they are ("my gun *is* loaded, and my [blank] *is* bigger") just continues to increase the stakes until they run out of words and have no choice but to physically attack. And while the odds of surviving are in your favor, I think we're all aware of the consequences of such a victory.
Deflect the comment or, better yet, just ignore it. Continue responding to the threat the way you would if they hadn't said anything."
It seems you want to mentally put them on a couch and find out what makes them "tick". Who cares? You are faced with a threatening thug with a blade...he either turns away and runs or gets shot.
I have read many of the books on criminal mind....for years. One thing I have learned is that you can't count on what a thug will do.
I would never turn my back on a threat like that and if anyone did...they would be stupid. No warning shot.....warning shots do come down if shot in the air and can bounce if shot in concret. No conversation....waste of time. I would shoot him....center mass. It is not a ******* contest with me...it is life or death....his or mine.
As a woman who has limited mobility....I know in court disparagy of force would be my shield. So it seems what most people disagree with you about is the "study in psychology" you seem to be promoting.
A woman must not depend on protection by men. A woman must learn to protect herself.
Susan B. Anthony
A armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one has to back it up with his life.
Seems to me that is exactly what mike1230 said. He was just a bit more verbose, which seems to me to have confused a lot of people.Originally Posted by Spirit51