Police: Wal-Mart customer fatally shoots suspected thief ORLANDO, Fla

Police: Wal-Mart customer fatally shoots suspected thief ORLANDO, Fla

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    Police: Wal-Mart customer fatally shoots suspected thief ORLANDO, Fla

    Maybe some of our Florida folks can keep an eye on this one; it will be quite interesting if the investigation reveals the customer was justified in shooting.

    Police: Wal-Mart customer fatally shoots suspected thief

    ORLANDO, Fla. --
    Police say a customer at a Wal-Mart store in Florida fatally shot a man who was among a group suspected of stealing two carts full of merchandise.

    The Orange County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that the shooting occurred Saturday after suspects left the store with stolen items.

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    Nieves says the customer was armed and fired at a suspect, who he thought was going for a weapon. Nieves did not identify anyone involved.
    Police: Wal-Mart customer fatally shoots suspected thief | abc11.com
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    776.012: A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.


    FS 776.013: A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.


    776.08: “Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.


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    Thought he had a gun could be a problem, doesn't say he pulled a gun.
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    I'd imagine it's going to come down to other witnesses and whether they thought the thief was going for a gun. If not, the shooter is in trouble.

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    Can you articulate what you saw, so that a reasonable person would understand that you were in sudden fear for your life?
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    They were also driving a car that had been carjacked a couple of weeks before that. So, that suggest the bad guys were not just thieves from Walmart. And, in other articles I've seen on this, sounds like the gun owner kept shooting a bit, as if they were armed as well and a threat. In one, it says the guy shot was inside their car, and two were shot.

    Point being, obviously to much variation in information out there, and not enough to put all the pieces together. This article above, leaves out a lot of info that other articles are putting in them .... but it is all bits and pieces. So, there is no way for us to know. The Walmart employee would have a lot of input as a direct close witness to it, unless he was running the other direction at the time.

    And it's not always what you see... and if you see their gun, but the compiled information.

    If he's a thug-type, reaching into the front of his pants, my bets would be he wasn't planning to play with himself at that moment. Gun, would be a good assumption.
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    Shooting to prevent someone stealing from Wal-Wart.... nope, ain't worth the cost of ammo much less the can of legal problems he as brought down upon himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drmordo View Post
    I'd imagine it's going to come down to other witnesses and whether they thought the thief was going for a gun. If not, the shooter is in trouble.
    What drmordo said, edited slightly: the shooter is in trouble.
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    Walmart isn't paying for his legal bills. If they wanted armed guards, they would hire them. Be a good witness from a distance, maybe take photos.

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    I'm not in charge of making sure someone doesn't steal from WalMart.
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    Seems like a stupid move to me and odd...since I'll bet that Walmart has a policy that its employees dont confront shoplifters. So the employee might have been completely out of line to begin with. And why did the shooter get involved? Over "stuff?"

    Thanks for nuthin' dude...you just acted like what every anti-gun/carrier person claims we are..."wannabe cops."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    They were also driving a car that had been carjacked a couple of weeks before that. So, that suggest the bad guys were not just thieves from Walmart. And, in other articles I've seen on this, sounds like the gun owner kept shooting a bit, as if they were armed as well and a threat. In one, it says the guy shot was inside their car, and two were shot.

    Point being, obviously to much variation in information out there, and not enough to put all the pieces together. This article above, leaves out a lot of info that other articles are putting in them .... but it is all bits and pieces. So, there is no way for us to know. The Walmart employee would have a lot of input as a direct close witness to it, unless he was running the other direction at the time.

    And it's not always what you see... and if you see their gun, but the compiled information.

    If he's a thug-type, reaching into the front of his pants, my bets would be he wasn't planning to play with himself at that moment. Gun, would be a good assumption.
    Thank you for the update, as usual I thought there would be more to the story.
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    Here's a question: are you justified in shooting someone before you see a weapon? You may draw...but do you shoot? If you already have your firearm on target, you have the (brief I know) time to "identify the threat" as you are ahead of the curve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40SCiinNC View Post
    Shooting to prevent someone stealing from Wal-Wart.... nope, ain't worth the cost of ammo much less the can of legal problems he as brought down upon himself.
    +1. My first thought was that he has a lot more affection for Wal-Mart than I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Point being, obviously to much variation in information out there, and not enough to put all the pieces together. This article above, leaves out a lot of info that other articles are putting in them .... but it is all bits and pieces. So, there is no way for us to know.
    If that were the criteria for expressing opinions about things, there would be a lot less uninformed opinions.
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