Road Rage Episode IV

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    Road Rage Episode IV

    Well, this happened to me on my way back to Texas from an enjoyable prospecting trip with Bumper in Arizona this past week. I gotta first tell ya that we also went to the range for some paper bustin and darn if my Kimber didn't break the end off the extractor....nothing more embarrassing than a single-shot 1911

    I was on the I-10 east of Van Horn Texas heading for the I-20 split towards Ft. Worth when the road started closing down to one lane each way for construction....hardly any traffic at all in this remote area and I was perhaps 100 ft behind a semi and slowing down with it as we were entering to one lane. Suddenly, some bozo in a Honda SUV seemed to come outta nowhere and crammed-in between me and the semi with only one car length ahead of me. I let off the gas and tapped the break to give some distance and started my usual rendition of simple neanderthal noises spattered with some select adjectives and adverbs...a few nouns too.....only to myself though, wasn't flashing my headlights or honkin the horn....just settled back and figured the idiot was just in a hurry.

    Well, the construction was about 10 miles long and the idiot was riding close off the semi's rear and seemed to be judging whether he could pass it on the right or not....could believe this moron. We soon came up on a highway exit and this guy swerves off to the exit.....Good Riddens !!....at least I thought. I closed the distance on the semi and settled back for the remaining few miles til I could pass him.....doggone, the "idiot" had taken the exit to try passing via the service road....as the semi, then I, passed the on-ramp....here comes the idiot back on, and cut just in front of me....this time less than a frickin car length....I had to break harder this time...let out some louder neanderthal noises and repeated, perhaps in reverse order, the select words. Holy cow what an idiot. I layed back until we broke out into 3 lanes again, just a couple miles from the I-10 and I-20 split...so I moved to the left-most lane and as I passed along side the idiot, I gave him a single-finger salute (yeah, I know, I'm an idiot too, but I was angry this time). Well, did the bozo let that pass? NOPE! He sped up, careened directly in front of me and hit his brakes! ME TOO! from 60 mph to about 20mph real quick....I attempted to go around him, but he kept cutting me off....now I'm starting to worry about another semi barrelin down the freeway behind me....I maneuver to left shoulder (still have butt end stickin out on the road) and stop.

    The idiot is about 10 feet in front of me and I'm just waiting to see his next move. Oh yeah, I've already unholstered my "single-shot Kimber" but have kept it out of sight. The Idiot opens his door, sets one foot out on the ground, is yelling something unintelligible but I can tell they aren't nice words...he's pointing to the ground and I interpret that "sign language" to mean he wants me outta my truck now! I just sit there, give a wave of the hand (open) as if to say what's your problem....just get on down the road. He obviously doesn't understand. At this point I see he's produced a tire iron (brandishing a weapon?) He shakes it pretty good too.

    Since he doesn't fully exit his vehicle, I decide to just try going around him again...remember, I'm still stickin out in the road. He tries to cut me off again but fails...by this time, we're at the split in the highway, and as luck would have it, he needs to go to I-10 on the right, I'm tooling on to I-20 on the left. We separate, exhanging "pleasantries" out the windows, and he's still waving that tire iron....distance increases and I go about my merry way.

    I told Bumper that this was the first "Road Rage" incident I've experienced since carrying and that unlike other situations where I had no protection other than flesh and bone, I felt a calm sense about me as this was playing out and I suspect it because I "knew" that if I had to, I could take this threat out....now, it wasn't comforting knowing that I had essentially a single-shot weapon, but it would have been a fairly close shot. I never revealed my gun during the episode. That may or may not have been an error on my part. Perhaps a greater show of force would have neutralized the situation quicker. Will never know.......Oh yeah, called Kimber the morning I got back...they mailed me a new extractor yesterday...hope it's in the mail tomorrow.
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    Man that sucks i hate idiots like that i drive all day long and michigan is one hell hole of construction right now they actually thing cleaning up a little for the super bowl is gonna make a difference for the next 5 years...


    I think ya did right well all except flipping the guy off but i would have too probley both fingers ... Also not showing you weapon was a good thing ..

    it did nothing that amounted to some fist shakeing so no harm no foul now if he had preceded to come at the car and try to break a window then that different

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    Prospector - you did good. Not really a situation where brandishing would have helped too much - instead with such an AH - just as likely he'd have summoned the popo.

    The ''bird'' was probably not wise but heck - he deserved it and more LOL.

    I am at a loss to see the mindset of such people. They carve up the road thru what seems like sole ownership and then love to get upset because someone (justifiably) offended, takes exception and (heaven forbid) happens to show it.

    Best we can do I guess is try and ignore - put distance between them and us - and give a good ol' ''Gaelic shrug'' as we wonder, yet again - just how much of humanity is actually in possession of a full set of brain cells!
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    Prospector, the one thing I can say (from a similar experience) is that when something like that happens the most important thing is to get on the cell phone and call the highway patrol!

    Two Reasons:

    #1 This idiot is going to continue with the next guy. Or maybe get a family killed who can't pay attention because the kids are being typical kids...but you see what I mean. All the PD has to do is get an eyeball on the situation and he's busted.

    #2 And this is more important. S'pose, HE got the feeling you were ARMED and that's why he didn't exit his car with that tire iron. S'pose HE calls it in FIRST and the cops STOP YOU? Guess what, whomever reaches the cops first, instantly becomes the victim and the other guy is the perp. That's just the way cops minds work. That's just the way it is. So report it!
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    First off, you need a cell phone. You could have called me and I could have covered the several hundred miles pretty quick and covered your back. Seriously, after you left it occurred to me that I should have exchanged Kimbers or at least given you my extractor for the trip back.

    I'm glad it turned out alright. My first thought would hqve been to do something stupid after his DA antics. When he showed me his (tire iron) I am afraid I would have shown him mine (1911). But, without a phone to call in the incident, you might have been on the receiving end of some bad karma.

    Sorta interesting him having a tire iron in the front seat with him. He may have been expecting, or looking for, trouble. He probably just wanted you to jump out with fists ready so he would have an excuse to lay the iron on you. Glad to hear your back safe and sound!
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    I don't know about you guys, but if I had a cell phone, 911 would have been dialed the second he forced me to the shoulder. When he opened the door with the tire iron, I would be letting the 911 operator know this nut had it and was threatening me.

    During this, I would try to slip my car in reverse, and wait for him to get out of his. about the time he cleared his back wheel you have the choice of punching it and backing up the shoulder leaving him a few seconds from the drivers seat of his honda. When you have sufficient room, take off. Make sure to give the plate number, and good description of the driver and the weapon, (plus the fact he seemed to have it in the front seat with him) to the 911 operator. If you can follow him at a distance and let them know where he is going. Seing a nutjob like this guy busted would be worth a 70 mile detour to me.

    You did good, by not displaying your weapon. LOL I bet the guy is all for gun control. After all he wouldnt want his victims shooting back.

    On a side note, if you don't have or don't want a cell phone you can pick up one of the cheapest tracfone cell phones from wal-mart or just about anywhere for next to nothing. Activate it with a low minute yearly subscription card for about 100$ and you stuff it in the glove box along with a car charger. If trouble comes, whip it out and plug in the charger. You now have a way to call for a wrecker or 911. They supossedly will also work to call 911 even without a subscription.
    I would recommend calling your local police and ask.


    either way they are a very cheap piece of insurance.


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    Seems the trend in Fla. now daze is that the State and the county wants a call of "road rage". I've heard that they take this pretty seriously. Also you can ask the LEO for feedback(how it was handled). These people need to be taken off the road. I have to believe that there is a great potential for someone being hurt either by their hand or a MVA.-----

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodSamaritan

    On a side note, if you don't have or don't want a cell phone you can pick up one of the cheapest tracfone cell phones from wal-mart or just about anywhere for next to nothing. .....
    Thanks for the tip GS, I'm a bit behind the times in some cases...never had desire for a cell phone, but this sounds like something I would go for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospector
    ...so I moved to the left-most lane and as I passed along side the idiot, I gave him a single-finger salute (yeah, I know, I'm an idiot too, but I was angry this time).
    This is not the kind of behavior I would have expected from a member of this forum, whether the deserved it (which I agree, he did) or not.

    I you're going to carry, leave your middle finger at home.

    Other than that, well done.

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    Wink Human Nature...

    Quote Originally Posted by SSKC
    This is not the kind of behavior I would have expected from a member of this forum, whether the deserved it (which I agree, he did) or not.

    I you're going to carry, leave your middle finger at home.

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    Hey, SSKC, this was a very human reaction. I agree that we are held to a higher standard, but you have to live and learn....or you won't live long. We ALL suffer from a sense of anonymity when we get behind the wheel. When we feel assaulted there is a tendency to respond in kind. Since the "fickle finger of fate" flash resulted in some negative responses, I'd think that the lesson will be remembered next time out. It would for me! It was a close call and I think a lesson was learned. So let's not get hyper-critical, okay?
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    No problem SSKC, yeah, I knew it was wrong reaction and as I indicated "I'm an idiot too,.....however, it was a response from the second time he did this, and at the time I felt a response was needed to show him I'd had enough. I'll check into the "report road rage" bit and perhaps I'll get one of those "emergency" type cell phones so I can report in the future....thanks for your input!
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    Its pretty easy as we sit on our PC to tell you what may have went wrong on your part but it is a scarey situation anytime a car is being used to provoke a situation. Sometimes unloading an emotional moment may be the better course for a person to feel better and relax.
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    Not to hijack the thread, but this is exactly why I prefer older HUGE HEAVY vehicles i can pay cash for. A crown victoria is what I drive when I want something easy to park or I am trying to save money on gas. My daily driver is a 3/4 ton van soon to be upgraded to a 1 ton. My wifes driver is a Suburban.

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    Prospector,

    My previous post was not intended to be hyper-critical. I realized by your comment in your first post ("yeah, I know, I'm an idiot too") that you were aware of your mistake. My only intent was to reinforce the lesson by having someone on this forum say that it's not cool (a little sting). Trust me, if I had read this on a certain other forum, I would have rolled my eyes, thought it par for the course for those guys, and never said a thing. But the standard is a little higher here, I think. That's why I decided to throw out my two cents.

    I am not in any way trying to imply that I am superior, or that I have never had my emotions get the better of me. I do appreciate that you were in a very unpleasant situation. I spent considerable time thinking about what I was going to post, so that I would hopefully make a contribution that would be of value next time one of us meets one of these buffoons on the road, or elsewhere.

    So, to sum up:

    1. I think you made an error.
    2. The error had an unpleasant result (confrontation).
    3. You handled (2) very well.
    4. My intent was only to reinforce the lesson you already learned (I had this done for my benefit long ago - it worked). I did not mean to :chairshot
    5. Now, can I buy you a beer?

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    just talking to yourself about someones bad driving can geet ya into a altercation. Sounds like ya handled it o.k. I would definity get a plate # and call 911 at first opportunity. Better to report and not get him than be reported on yourself.

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