Wally World Meathead
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June 6th, 2005 05:07 PM
Wally World Meathead
After a rousing morning session of summer school, I set forth to purchase an index card file so that I may organize the students' parents contact information better.
And of course, this is a smallish town/city, so the one and only place to go was Great Wall of China Mart.
I've had lots of silly things happen to me in this particular Walmart. Genuinely funny things, like standing there with my campus faculty shirt and identification on while a cashier demanded to see ID lest I purchase dry erase markers. It's also the first place I saw a woman wearing a Glock T shirt and a fanny pack.
But it's all in good fun I suppose. When suddenly, on this day of all days, I found myself standing in line with a large gentlemen while wearing said campus faculty dress and identification. I'm 5'10" and 240 pounds and he dwarfed me. I estimate he was 6'2" and 285 pounds of muscle.
And of course I am wearing my faculty name badge.
This enterprising fellow was wearing Dickies pants and an oversized, sleeveless work shirt. It was quite large and he could have been concealing a battery of handguns underneath.
He snorted at me. And the great lummox spoke.
Okay call me a British cigarette all you want. I don't care. I'm in line in front of him.
"Little teacher ******."
Okay now he's starting to bother me slightly.
Suddenly I feel a hair on the back of my head move and I rotate 180 degress on my ankle. I do have some very limited pugilism experience and one thing I know is how to turn around and be outside of a person's grasp.
His thick fingers are paintbrushing empty space and he looks at me confused.
"Excuse me sir do you need something?"
The confusion goes away, replaced by idiocy.
"Hey are you a ******? Because you're sure dressed like one."
"Leave me alone."
The woman standing at the counter looks at me, her pen resting motionless on her checkbook.
"Stupid ****** teachers. All you know how to do is-"
At that point I'd had enough of listening to him make an ass of himself. I stepped out of line to go to another lane when he cut me off.
Plenty of witnesses.
I put one and a half or two arm's lengths of distance between us and took a comfortable stance and casually put my hands in my front pockets. Yes there's a .38 caliber revolver in there, but it doesn't come into play and it wasn't even considered in all honesty. It is however important to note in this scenario I am armed, my hand is even resting on the grip, my finger on the triggerguard.
"I said leave me alone."
It ends well, obviously, as I'm sitting here typing it up as best as I recall it. At no point did I become angry. I hear stuff like this all the time and people unsuccessfully try to push my buttons all day; it's my job. And honestly it just doesn't affect me any more. The strange thing is, at no point did I really feel afraid or threatened.
I will tell you what I did later. You're me and you don't already know this is going to end well. What do you do?
Walmart you light up my dull life.
June 6th, 2005 05:07 PM
June 6th, 2005 09:18 PM
I'll have to think about this one a bit, but holy cow, you did what I think I would have done...after the cutoff, I might have asked the cashier to call the police as there was about to be some serious broken bones and contusions....just kidding. I wish I could say that the "meathead" you encountered was an "import"....but that just wouldn't be true...seems we've got more than our fair share of those morons here in Texas.
"Endeavor To Persevere"
Chief Dan George
June 6th, 2005 09:22 PM
i would have asked "Are you flirting with me?"
June 6th, 2005 09:35 PM
I would've asked, "Is there some kind of problem here? Is there some reason that you've decided to assault me? If I've done something to offend you, I apologize, but if you think I'm going to let you hurt me, you're wrong."
Any offensive moves either during or after my statement would result in gunfire to his COM.
June 6th, 2005 09:35 PM
1952 - 2006
I really like your response spaceman.
My usual response in these types of situations is "I don't know what you expect to happen here, but it isn't going to turn out like you think it is, so be smart and go away."
Most of the time something in the tone of my voice or mannerisms convinces them to do just that, go away.
Heroes are people who do what has to be done, when it has to be done, regardless of the consequences
"I like when the enemy shoots at me; then I know where the ******** are and can kill them."
DE OPPRESSO LIBER
June 6th, 2005 09:42 PM
This is why I hate townies. You can be sitting enjoying dinner, and a townie wants to provoke a fight. Is the OB/GYN clinic in your town near a nuclear waste site?
June 6th, 2005 11:15 PM
I have no idea what this guy's problem was.
It ended something like this:
Right after I told him to leave me alone the second time, this genius threatened me like this and I quote:
"You got a problem? I can cut you up right here."
I took careful index. I had 6 witnesses.
"So you're threatening to attack me with a knife in front of all these people? Either you leave me alone or I am calling the authorities."
By the way, there's normally a police car parked out front at this Walmart.
He unceremoniously dropped his Budweiser on the floor and took off. I watched him exit the door in a hurry.
The woman in front of me quietly finished paying and shuffled out. The cashier, an elderly lady, was shaken.
"I can't believe some of the people that come in here..."
The guy was just a bully. Why he singled me out, I don't know. What he has against educators, I don't care. I suspect he was a touch younger than me and I'm 24.
In all honesty it's an unremarkable tale. Idiot tries to start something, idiot is rebuffed, idiot leaves.
But it shows a lot. I didn't do anything wrong. I was in a public place in bright daylight hours. I was aware of my surroundings and yet this gorilla got so close as to almost tap me on the back of the head.
But most important of all, despite the fact that he threatened to attack with lethal force, I handled the situation just like I would have if there'd not been a gun in my pocket.
If not for these circumstances I probably wouldn't even mention it, but the fact that this was one half of a violent encounter really made me think.
Truthfully I'll probably forget this ever happened in about 6 weeks, until some other silly thing happens and I remember the idiot who wanted to start something.
I did watch for him on my way out.
June 6th, 2005 11:34 PM
Bottom line Euc - there are members of the dufus club almost everywhere. Makes me think he was on a ''high testosterone'' day and felt he needed to prove - something. Maybe he felt that his size was carte blanche to intimidate someone smaller so he could get his rocks off . .who knows.
You did good tho - controlled, non-confrontational and heck - a witness rich environment too. If he had produced a blade and you'd shot him that would have been one very cut'n'dried case methinks.
Glad tho it turned out the way it did. Moral tho - even in Wally World - watch ya six!
Chris - P95
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June 7th, 2005 12:16 AM
It sounds to me like you handled that perfectly. I'm a little shocked at his utter idiocy. Beer does strange things to some people.
I almost got into a fight at the Taste of Syracuse (an annual restaurant festival downtown) this weekend because some no-neck lummox was convinced I'd cut into the line at a stand. (To give you an idea of the venue, there were about 10,000 people crammed into a space big enough for 5,000 people. There were so many people standing in an area adjacent to a stage, most of them waiting for a concert, that nobody could tell if there was a line or not.)
"The line starts back there, man," he huffed.
"I don't know where the line is," I told him. "There are too many people here. Do you honestly think you know where it starts and stops?"
"So you don't care."
"I don't care, no."
"So you're JUST A DICK, THEN?"
"Hey, this guy's trying to [indecipherable] you in line here!" he drunkly shouted, waving his now empty beer cup."
"So you're just staying there," he said to me again.
"Yes," I said.
He eventually wandered off, leaving me to contemplate how silly it would have been to have to put my finger into this guy's eye. Sitting in jail later that evening, somebody could have turned to me and said, "So, what are you in for?"
"Falafel," I could have said.
June 7th, 2005 12:39 AM
You handled that really well! What unbelieveable morons are out there. Little did his cro-magnon brain realize how close he came to be being repeatedly perforated; all he could register was that he's a big lout and therefore he can kick anybody around.
I guess he doesn't like teachers because he couldn't make it past third grade.
"Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa
June 7th, 2005 02:30 AM
Handled very well indeed!
Recall - Easiest way for some folks to boost their ego is to tear someone else down
I dunno , I was in Scrubs once in a diner, most folks knew me. Some fella in a 3 pc suit started taking down to me , especially the medical part and I guess thought I was a Dr., a Surgeon. Yes I laughed the loudest of the regulars who started laughing. He kept at it. I said " Are we to the part yet where you tell me my mother wears army boots?"
He got made and left with his To Go order. I suspect, as it was not uncommon for folks to hold resentments about hospitals, to be ugly to folks that worked in a hospital.
Yes I was packing , as was the cook, the cashier, and a bunch of other folks I knew. They fussed at me because I was too close to the jukebox, afraid they would hit the jukebox if they had to shoot the guy. I suggested more target practice if they could not hit a guy that big, that close.
Then the topic was "what to play from the jukebox when you have to shoot?"
Oh well I needed the levity, having just finished a 20 hr straight shift...I kinda thought "Star Spangled Banner" by Hendrix was a good choice. Seems Pink Floyd's "Lunatic in the Grass" got the most votes.
June 7th, 2005 02:31 AM
You handled it well, Euclidean. I probably would have said something along the lines of acparmed. I have to admit, though, when he started the "I can cut you up right here" nonsense I would probably have been in a defensive position with a firm grip on my (holstered) 1911. Billy Bob Thornton's line (as Davy Crockett) in the movie The Alamo also comes to mind, "I'm a screamer"....
Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde; Beware the anger of a patient man.
June 7th, 2005 11:05 AM
You know guys like those give all of us "BIG" guys a bad rap. I am 6'8" & 300lbs. but I have been called the worlds biggest teddy bear by my female employees.....that is until they saw me interact with a young fella that had a mouth that would make a sailor blush. I know I am a former swabbie and I was blushing.....or mabey I was mad....either way I escorted the fella out the front door to talk to him in a neutral area that was condusive to rational conversation.....or so I thought. He became very confrontational and started verbal abuse and he actually shoved me. When I did not move from the shove he realized that he had done something wrong. I politely asked him to leave the property before I had to call the authorities and have him arrested for criminal trespassing since I had told him to leave. Luck for him he did. I was warned by one of his fellow employees that he was known to carry a butterfly folding knife. Had he continued the agression, to the point that I felt threatened, I was carrying my Taurus PT-145 in my right front pocket as I always do.
He came back the next day with his boss apoligizing, begging for forgiveness and after he had apoligized to all my female employees and had hand written an apoligy to me I allowed him in.
This is not the first time things like this have happened and fortunately they have all come to a peacefull conclusion. It really takes a lot to get me upset and even then I am able to regulate my actions.
Last edited by tex45acp; June 7th, 2005 at 11:19 AM.
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June 7th, 2005 11:58 AM
Nice going Euc, I could not understand someone screwing with a large person regardless of their size. You may have asked him if he was looking for a date!!
As you slide down the banister of life,
May the splinters never point the wrong way.
NRA Life Member
June 7th, 2005 12:15 PM
I would have looked at and asked him if he were trying ask me out. :)
I guess I'll throw a story in as well.. :)
I was on my home from work one morning after having pulled a midnight shift. As I was turning into our subdivision (I sure do want to move back to the country) one of the resident young punks was pulling out of it. He pulled right in front of me, and I had to hit the brakes hard. I honked the horn at him, and he then set about yelling all sorts of stuff at me and showing off in front of his buddy. He pulled over on the side of the road and continued to yell at me. I pulled into the subdivision and stopped. I wasn't about to be talked to like that practically in my own driveway by a punk.
He turned around and pulled up behind me and jumped out of his car like he was going to do something. I stepped out of my truck wearing my pretty blue policeman costume complete with 4006, badge, and cuffs, and I'm said, "Were you trying to flag me down?" He immediately began apologizing and ran back to his car. :)
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