This is a discussion on Had to draw my gun---on a dog within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SleepingZ Do you agree that an animal can sense fear in us??? Oh most defiantly and they can sense that when a ...
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"He went on two legs, wore clothes and was a human being, but nevertheless he was in reality a wolf of the Steppes. He had learned a good deal . . . and was a fairly clever fellow. What he had not learned, however, was this: to find contentment in himself and his own life. The cause of this apparently was that at the bottom of his heart he knew all the time (or thought he knew) that he was in reality not a man, but a wolf of the Steppes."
I have a neighbor lady who lives at the end of my cul-de-sac, however that's spelled. For whatever reason my dog would go nuts at the sight of her. What is interesting is this woman was married to one of my co-workers, and she had a poor reputation among the gossips at work. Dawg hater her guts, and I don't know why.
More interestingly, my sister and mom once came to stay with us for a few days. Sister can't stand dogs. Apparently "dawg" couldn't stand her either. And dawg showed me how she felt by promptly peeing and crapping all over our utility room during my sister's first night at our house. I was up at 4 AM cleaning with a wet vac and Lysol.
Dogs know. They are good judges of character.
And too, I have had repair people the dog simply would not let up our driveway. One guy I remember, dawg would have torn him apart if I let her loose. I'm convinced the dog knew something about that guy I didn't.
I agree, I think there is something about a person that will "creep" a dog out sometimes. They do seem to be good judges of character. I used to know a guy who was exceptionally tall, he was a good guy and model citizen, but dogs freaked out when he came around. I think his height, and it being different from the norm, set off an alarm in the dogs mind.
I don't think their assessment is right 100% of the time, but I pay close attention to their instinct.
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After reading all these post I'm suprised nobody has mentioned another way to take out a dog that is attacking.
We have had everything from "Doggie Treats" to guns. Personally my favored method, if the dog is already attacking, is a knife. With a blade there is less chance of missing your target and injuring innocent bystanders.
If I know I'm going to be bitten I will give the dog my support side arm and draw my blade. The reason I opt for this is, less chance of a ricochet or harming a third party.
If the dog hasn't attacked, and is more of a nusience then OC often times works great. I've used it a couple of times. I guess it depends on the situation what I will use. The thing is, make sure you have enough tools in your "toolbox" so that you have options.
Options are a good thing.
Just kick the S$#%^ out of the dog right under there jaw. If that doesn't work knock them in the head with a hammer.
I dont know about that.If I know I'm going to be bitten I will give the dog my support side arm and draw my blade. The reason I opt for this is, less chance of a ricochet or harming a third party.
The only thing I would offer up to a dog that wants to taste me is a 230 grain Golden Saber.
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Another thing about dogs recognizing weapons, I think is like a child. If they are around them enough, not just hunting hounds, they know what they are capable of and don't want to be on the business end. I had a mut growing up that would go outside with my brothers and I when we shot our pellet rifles. He understood what the gun was, and kept out from in front of us.
Just my .02 cents.
Living in Leesburg, VA in the 60's, I had a dog who hated black people. He was certainly NOT taught this but would go OFF on anyone black he saw. This was a time of racial transition (the movie theater still had a blacks-in-balcony-only rule and we had a whites and blacks highschool) and it embarrassed me greatly.
I had a dog I got at 1 year old (from the pound) and he absolutely knew what guns were, when I would get out a handgun he'd get really nervous. If I pointed it at him, he would DUCK and SHAKE! I only did this once, he was the perfect dog otherwise.
So if the dog didn't interact with black people up close, this might fit.
This is one of the reasons you want to expose your puppy to as many different things and people while they are young. Kids, old people, etc.
Put the jug about 40 feet in front of you, with the rope running past you on the ground.
Have a friend grab the rope and run as fast as he can, pulling the jug toward you on the ground.
This simulates a charging dog.
Good luck. Chances are, your jug will survive the first couple of exercises intact.
S.Mac: I was going to try the water filled milk-jug exercise while hanging it in a tree to represent a moving BG. I was going to hang it about chest high and give it a push, then try to hit it while it was swinging.
Thanks to all posters, a lot of interesting info. I am going to have to keep some doggy treats in the pick-up.. Sometimes I have snacks for myself along and usually just share them with the dogs.
Off-topic and long (apologies), but important information:
However... and this is a BIG POINT I hope everyone hears: my wife provoked an attack (challenge for our bed) and the OP did, too (entered with no owner present). An *unprovoked* attack (dog comes out into street), however, *could* be evidence of rabies. Shooting the dog will remove the ability for Animal Control to do the test... and will require the kid to go through the rabies shots. It isn't the horror story it was (it's three "no reaction" shots in the arm instead of 20 in the belly), but it will cost you two or three grand. I was the guy who made the 'treat' or 'don't treat' decisions for the health department, and rabies is a disease you REALLY - I mean *REALLY REALLY* don't want your kid to get (see YouTube if you aren't sure - I doubt if even the worst badarses here would be keen on watching that kid die).
Better to wait for two weeks: if the dog is still alive, you KNOW he wasn't transmitting rabies at the time of the bite. (Biology lesson: the virus kills less than two weeks after it begins to be present in the saliva.)
If the dog is dead (or can't be found), you still have time to treat. In a head wound the timetable changes; we would have killed the dog and tested the brain forthwith. But with non-face bites, we would send Animal Control to the house and put the animal under confinement for two weeks. If the dog was OK on their return, the kid didn't need the shots.
I can certainly imagine expressing my concerns to the owner, and I could imagine their dog "running off and not coming back" a few weeks later, too.
Best tactics suggest avoiding the situation (for OP; the kids tried by staying in the street). If the dog is charging, the decision is easy. The best tactics for an after-the-fact issue may also be as decisive. But, please, don't mess with the diagnostic procedure for possible rabies in an unprovoked bite if at all possible.