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One of our students recently reported an incident he was involved in, with several good teaching points. James has taken a number of ...
June 22nd, 2005 03:29 PM
One of our students recently reported an incident he was involved in, with several good teaching points. James has taken a number of courses from Rangemaster, including advanced classes with Simunitions role play, which prepared him well for this encounter.
James and his sister were walking his dog in James’ neighborhood, a nice middle class area where his parents also live nearby. It was early in the evening, and nothing indicated anything other than a normal evening stroll.
A black sedan with tinted windows passed by James and his sister and went on by. James noted the vehicle, and watched it as it went well past them down the street to their rear. Well down the street it turned around and headed back: again, this was noticed by James. As the vehicle pulled along side them and slowed to a stop, the passenger window came down and an arm appeared through the window, holding a handgun. James had discussed this sort of incident with his sister previously, and she immediately began moving away from the car. James quickly moved in another direction, toward the right rear of the suspect vehicle. This made it very difficult for the passenger to direct the handgun toward James. As he moved, James reached for the Kahr handgun he had concealed on his person. The vehicle sped off, with no shots fired and no one injured, which is the way we like these things to end.
1. When you least expect it, you’re elected! James was in a “safe” location, a “good neighborhood” within sight of his own home. He was still armed, and more importantly, still alert and aware.
2. Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance! James had considered this sort of incident PRIOR to its occurrence, and he had discussed it with someone likely to be with him if it happened. Both he and his sister had a pre-planned response in mind. This is critical, as it removes confusion and hesitation, your worst enemies.
3. An aggressive response is your best defense. When James moved off line and went for his pistol, that was all the bad guys needed to convince them to leave at once. Had James just stood there, he may have been shot, or the BG’s may have exited the vehicle and robbed/raped/assaulted what they saw as helpless victims.
Be alert and aware of your environment, regardless of time of day or the part of town you’re in. Be armed. Have a plan to deal with violence. Remember, violent crime only happens to someone else. To every other person on the planet, YOU are someone else.
June 22nd, 2005 04:05 PM
Excellent work by James. Being aware of what is going on around you even when you think you are in a "good" neighborhood can save your butt. It was very good that he had discussed this with his sister too.
DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONtestING THE VOTE.
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June 22nd, 2005 10:30 PM
Excellent Tom - hard to add to that - just how things should be (except of course for idiots toting guns out of car windows!).
Be alert and aware of your environment, regardless of time of day or the part of town you?re in. Be armed. Have a plan to deal with violence. Remember, violent crime only happens to someone else. To every other person on the planet, YOU are someone else.
To repeat again one of my mantras - ''Expect the unexpected'' - oh and also ''don't assume''. Kudos to James - he should survive to a great old age!
Chris - P95
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June 22nd, 2005 10:55 PM
I know this sounds silly because your student did a great job, but.........
Was he able to remember the license plate?
Seek safety at the heart of danger.
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June 23rd, 2005 07:01 PM
Have a PLAN
A good plan executed NOW with extreme violence is better than a perfect plan executed tomorrow. ~ General George S. Patton
Originally Posted by Tom Givens
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
June 23rd, 2005 10:20 PM
Did they speed off after they saw James' gun or before? I.e. was it his decisive movement or the sight of the pistol?
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