This is a discussion on Adjacent land owner shot at a hunter within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by prawls My buddy was actually bow hunting. He and his guest (better when they hunt in pairs). Neither of them had a ...
They are really lucky - and so is the moron that was shooting in their direction. Good luck with the charges and I hope this doesn't ruin your fun out on your property in the future.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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well if it were my boy and I hunting we'd have more than a SIG P239, I'd have a 30-06 and my boy probably a 243 and I would have returned fire after telling my boy to get down. I am in the right for my son and I were being shot at, I was merely defending us and we were on private property with consent to be there.
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I hope they hammer the heck out of that moron neighbor.
I used to work with a lady who, along with her husband, had a piece of property next to a national forrest. They had a small cabin and he had a treestand, where he went to hunt a lot. She said one day he went there and there was a guy up in his tree stand that refused to get down and said he had permission from the owner. The guy got irate really quick and threatened to shoot the real owner. She said they very nearly came to a shootout, but her husband decided to go get a sherriff. I bet the idiot in the tree stand felt like a total moron. Oh, a person that the owner had taken with him one time told the other guy it was ok for him to go there and hunt.
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FYI, he got arrested last night, but is out now. Trial is supposed to be in couple months I hope. He's lost the AR until then at a minimum I believe. I went back and walked the property this afternoon with no issues.
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I think that there's got to be more to a claim of "I saw a fella with a weapon and was in fear for my life" than simply seeing a guy with a gun, understanding that the context is that he's out there HUNTING, and deciding to fire on him. I mean, can you just start shooting at a guy at a shooting range simply because, hey, there's a guy you don't know, and he's got a gun in his hand?!
I was at an outdoor range once, and made the mistake of going hot while there was still a guy way at the opposite end of the range, checking his target. I had thought we'd received a fire signal but I was wrong. I fired one shot and got a yellin', and immediately realized my mistake.
I got chewed out by the rangemaster, and told I had to leave. (I didn't protest.) On my way out with my buddy, I made a point of stopping at the lane where the guy was, and approached him and told him who I was (based on what I had done) and sincerely apologized to him for my mistake. He was cool about it.
Now, is anyone here prepared to say that he should have returned fire at me, standing on the line (assuming he even could have known who had fired the single shot)? I dare say that my answer would be no, and not just because I was the guy who had fired. (After all, I hadn't fired at him, or even near him.)
So I think this is a major point:
This neighbor who fired the shots, what did he see? A couple of guys hunting with BOWS. Not firearms. Hardly a threat, given also that it's not as though the bowmen were firing arrows in the neighbor's direction, much less after the neighbor made his presence known.
The neighbor was not even fired upon with arrows, let alone bullets. He cannot have made a claim that he thought someone was threatening his life. And even if the hunters had had guns, and had fired a shot or two his way, once communication had been established ("Hey, doofus, you're shooting at me!" said the old man), if no further shots followed, it would be clear enough that an attack was not taking place that further shots from the old man would be utterly unjustified.
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Quote: "It is legal to hunt deer in the rifle zone with any caliber of firearm except a .22 caliber or smaller rimfire (rifle or handgun)."
Whew! That's just the opposite of Tejas. .22 rimfire is a big no-no here for "big game". Centerfire only. And y'all, on the average, probably have bigger deer.
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