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    Clear it
    Ask for proper ID (LEO or CPL)
    If they can not produce proper ID Call local enforcement and turn the weapon over to the LEO's.
    Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8


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    Tell him "nice piece Bro" and shove it back to him

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    Honestly, probably stare at it for a couple of seconds, probably forgetting why I was hauling butt to the bathroom in the first place. Then pick it (with toilet paper), clear it, and say "so, what's the lowest you can go for this one?" (always looking for a deal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticWolf View Post
    Clear it
    Ask for proper ID (LEO or CPL)
    If they can not produce proper ID Call local enforcement and turn the weapon over to the LEO's.
    What would you do if this happened to you? I think you are just asking for a confrontation with this strategy. I would be "perturbed" if I dropped my gun and someone wouldn't give it back to me. I might even beat you to the punch by calling LE and accusing you of trying to steal my gun. If you are armed you may be in big trouble.
    Frankly, I think the only response is to slide it back over without much if any comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitmaster View Post
    What would you do if this happened to you? I think you are just asking for a confrontation with this strategy. I would be "perturbed" if I dropped my gun and someone wouldn't give it back to me. I might even beat you to the punch by calling LE and accusing you of trying to steal my gun. If you are armed you may be in big trouble.
    Frankly, I think the only response is to slide it back over without much if any comment.
    I see your point. Putting that scenario in my mind, I can see that I would start to freak out if the person began to reach for it. I probably wouldn't care if my pants were still around my ankles as long as I was still able to dive for it or run for cover.

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    Kick it back!
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    BUT if we didn't grab it.. would we be an accessory to what ever crime that was about to happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticWolf View Post
    BUT if we didn't grab it.. would we be an accessory to what ever crime that was about to happen?
    Personally, I don't know. But that is great question.

    On side note, this question reminded me of moment in Dallas when I saw a car swerving frantically on the far right lane of I-35. I assumed it was a drunk at 14:00 in the afternoon. But as I was passing by on the far LEFT of the freeway, I noticed that it was actually a woman having seizure. I wanted to call 9-1-1 but I didn't the city very well at the time to give the operator a reference of location, there was thick traffic and I was not able to get across to get a better look at the vehicle/license plate, and even if was able to get on her side, I was endangering myself because I could get into an accident with her. So all I could was call 9-1-1 and say that there was a car swerving on I-35 northbound north of Dallas downtown. Never did found out if she got help.

    But the question still remains, if I didn't call 9-1-1, was I liable for not giving emergency treatment or getting aid for her? Was I liable for endangering others because I let her go about her business?

    I know this is tangent, but it made me think, so I thought I share it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorflyr View Post
    Say "Thanks, but I've already got my own!"
    I like this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticWolf View Post
    BUT if we didn't grab it.. would we be an accessory to what ever crime that was about to happen?
    What crime is about to happen?

    Trying to keep someone else's weapon from them probably is a crime and most likely will cause far more trouble than kicking it back.

    Demanding ID and carry papers, I suspect, is only within the authority of a LEO.

    "That IS a nice one but mine is a 45" While pushing it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverkeeper View Post
    What crime is about to happen?

    Trying to keep someone else's weapon from them probably is a crime and most likely will cause far more trouble than kicking it back.

    Demanding ID and carry papers, I suspect, is only within the authority of a LEO.

    "That IS a nice one but mine is a 45" While pushing it back.
    That was my 2nd thought... didn't reply quick enough...lol



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    CW --

    Finally got to shoot a Glock 30 a few weeks ago and it IS a really really nice one.

    Best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverkeeper View Post
    CW --

    Finally got to shoot a Glock 30 a few weeks ago and it IS a really really nice one.

    Best!
    Thanks. People with bigger hands might have problems. lol
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    Kick it back and say "No, I'm in the market for a pocket gun!" OR "No, I am looking for a mid-size gun!" Depending on the gun dropped!!

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    Two or three previous posts mentioned keeping the weapon; if you are a LEO in your own jurisdiction, that may be your only choice.

    If not, did you factor in any of these possibilities?
    (a) He has a BUG and wants his primary back. If so, you just volunteered for a gunfight.
    (b) He has an equally well-armed gang-banger pal standing guard outside. If so, you are again begging for a gunfight.
    (c) If you're in Alaska or Vermont there's no paper for him to show you, and he's probably 100% legal anyway.

    I would think "I'm not a LEO, and he is innocent until proven guilty" and just walk away without touching the pistol.

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