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    Since the fix for type 1 and type 2 is the same, I just take six mags and put 2 to 3 dummies in each and randomly pick them out a pocket, or get a friend to load them for you. I also down load mags, so I get slide locks when I'm not expecting them.

    The only thing you miss is actually seeing the 'stove' pipe sticking out of the gun, which is no big deal, since you train to instinctively tap, rack/roll or reload, tap, rack whenever you get click no-bang.

    You can set up a type 3 by putting an empty piece of brass in the chsmber and gently letting the slide go forward. I don't know of way to make a type 3 random.
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    Question

    I suppose this just illustrates my need for formal training (which I plan to do this fall), but until then....
    will someone please tell me what a type 1, 2 and 3 malfunction is? :quesign:

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    Type 1: Failure to fire (bad primer)
    Type 2: Failure to eject (stove pipe)
    Type 3: Failure to extract (double feed) a.k.a. I'm Fu&^ked

    Obviously there are other causes besides those listed, e.g. a Type 1 could be caused by a broken firing pin...
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    Phill - haha - indeed a #3 is - well - as you said probably!

    True enough tho yeah - empty chambered and slow slide down - does make for something close but I reckon here a random is about impossible, short of disabling an extractor but then - we'd still know! It is that very event which makes pucker turn to laundry time - or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoRavens
    Type 1: Failure to fire (bad primer)
    Type 2: Failure to eject (stove pipe)
    Type 3: Failure to extract (double feed) a.k.a. I'm Fu&^ked

    Obviously there are other causes besides those listed, e.g. a Type 1 could be caused by a broken firing pin...
    Got it...thanks. I can't recall ever experiencing any of those. I have experienced several "fail to feed" or "fail to return to battery". Does that have a number associated with it?
    I assume that type 1 and type 2 malfunctions, as well as "fail to feed" are all solved by the same method, i.e. tap, rack??
    Thanks for the help.
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    Failures to feed, fire, and eject are all fixed by the tap/roll/rack method. A failure to extract is the bad one that takes the rip/roll/rack/reload (inlcuding chambering a round) method.


    Some folks don't add the "roll" part. We teach shooters to roll the pistol so that the ejection port is ppointed towards the ground to use gravity as an aid. For righties this entails rolling the right hand over so that the thumb is pointing towards the ground. It's easier for lefties as they only have to roll 90 degrees towards the inside of the stance to achieve the same thing.
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    Sorry, Type 1 covers fail to feed as well as fail to fire.
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